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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:43 am

Enfaru wrote:In total we have 27 Mods (and one techie)

At the last count we have 140,313 nations

That's 1 mod for every 5196 players (assuming all of them are active all of the time).


No, it's 1 Mod per 5196 nations, which of course isn't the same thing...
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Postby New Babylonia » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:48 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Enfaru wrote:In total we have 27 Mods (and one techie)

At the last count we have 140,313 nations

That's 1 mod for every 5196 players (assuming all of them are active all of the time).


No, it's 1 Mod per 5196 nations, which of course isn't the same thing...

Not to mention we only ever see a select few of the mods. The rest are obviously part of a secret, hidden organization behind the scenes of the Elite Mod class pulling all the strings. Clearly, NS has also been overrun by the Illuminati.
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Postby Enfaru » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:49 am

Most of those moderators/admins aren't active.

I see Violet and Ballotonia on occasionally, Frisbeeteria, Sedge, Crazy Girl, Dread Lady Nathicana, Farnhamia, Mallorea and Riva, Mousebumples, Nervun, The Blaatschapen, The Archregimancy and Tsaraine on but I rarely see the others and at most I'll see two on at any one time.

That's less than half the 27 even allowing for some margin of error.




I will accept Bears Armed specification there. He's right, it's not the same thing but we also do not have access to the specific numbers.




I may have laughed at New Babylonia's post too much. XD
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Postby Usual People In Life » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:11 am

Congrats mall and mouse! Do you fancy some fresh celebratory fish and cheese to see you in?

I was a mod of another (small) site once (and an admin of a hosted forum) for a while, but they were nothing compared to the scale of NS!

You just never know who might get hooked up to the HiveMind these days...
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Postby Shazbotdom » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:18 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:...

Do we need more game mods? This site is over-moderated as it is.


This site is no where near over-moderated. I've seen some web sites that are far more moderated than this one and those web sites were run by tyrants. This site is one of the best moderated that I've ever seen.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:59 am

Enfaru wrote:Most of those moderators/admins aren't active.

I see Violet and Ballotonia on occasionally, Frisbeeteria, Sedge, Crazy Girl, Dread Lady Nathicana, Farnhamia, Mallorea and Riva, Mousebumples, Nervun, The Blaatschapen, The Archregimancy and Tsaraine on but I rarely see the others and at most I'll see two on at any one time.


This is simply not true.

What you see are the mods who are active in the forums. I can vouch for the fact that several other mods and admins do extraordinary amounts of work behind the scenes processing getting help requests in the game side mod centre.

On the other hand, I hardly ever touch the getting help requests unless they deal with NS Sports; in fact, I'm likely one of the least active game mods when it comes to processing game side tasks, and likely do much less work than several of those game-side centred mods.

You think I do more because you see more of me in the forums; but I can assure you that forum activity is no foolproof guide to the amount of work that mods actually do for NationStates.

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Postby Enfaru » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:05 pm

That is a very fair point. I know that Frisbee spends a lot of time on those requests... I know by the tone of response I get XD.

That said I'm sure there are a couple of mods/admins that should be 'retired' by now but again I can't be entirely sure and I can only give anecdotal evidence from my own perspective.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:50 pm

Enfaru wrote:That is a very fair point. I know that Frisbee spends a lot of time on those requests... I know by the tone of response I get XD.

That said I'm sure there are a couple of mods/admins that should be 'retired' by now but again I can't be entirely sure and I can only give anecdotal evidence from my own perspective.

I could come up with names, but that would be neither listened to nor helpful.
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Postby Alyakia » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:59 pm

Enfaru wrote:I know by the tone of response I get XD.


is it actually a good thing that you can identity a moderator based on tone? (especially if it's a negative tone)
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Postby Enfaru » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:28 pm

Are you saying that Frisbeeteria has a negative tone?

Everyone has their own style of writing and communicating, Frisbeeteria is simply easier to spot. Abrupt, shortened with a sense of finality. I like dealing with people who are straightforward like that.
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Postby Tim Stark » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:59 pm

Congratulations both. It's been nice knowing you before you were oligarchs. :P
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Wait you forgot one more test... The slapped in the face with a smelly fish!

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Postby NERVUN » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:50 pm

Aksun wrote:Wait you forgot one more test... The slapped in the face with a smelly fish!

Oh I've already administered that.

Repeatedly.

With a dance even.

Didn't work too well on the shark though... he just ate it.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:51 pm

Yay! Now when I run into Mouse in the wee hours of the morning in the Mod Cave with important stuffs, we don't have to wait for a Game Mod! ;P
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:54 pm

Congratulations to both. Also, I'm glad I made it here before the inevitable "Mall should resign" posts.
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Postby Romic » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:56 pm

Congrats both Mall and Mouse. You two are great forum mods and I am sure you will make exemplary Game mods (and put the other mods to shame in the Modlympics)
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:05 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:Congratulations to both. Also, I'm glad I made it here before the inevitable "Mall should resign" posts.


Mall should resi- oh dammit! :p

Seriously though, congrats.
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Postby Flibbleites » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:15 pm

Enfaru wrote:Most of those moderators/admins aren't active.

I see Violet and Ballotonia on occasionally, Frisbeeteria, Sedge, Crazy Girl, Dread Lady Nathicana, Farnhamia, Mallorea and Riva, Mousebumples, Nervun, The Blaatschapen, The Archregimancy and Tsaraine on but I rarely see the others and at most I'll see two on at any one time.

One perk of modhood is the ability to login invisibly so just because you may not see us in the online users list, doesn't mean we're not there.

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Postby Torisakia » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:20 pm

Congrats Mall and Mouse, you can now DEAT people (which, if I'm correct, forum mods couldn't do). Happy DEATing.

Arcturus Novus wrote:Congratulations to both. Also, I'm glad I made it here before the inevitable "Mall should resign" posts.

Now it'll be "Mall should be demoted to Forum Mod" then "Mall should resign". :P
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Postby Land filled with People » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:21 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Land filled with People wrote:it doesn't appear that more game mods are necessarily needed at the moment.

That used to be a consideration, but it's not so much one anymore. Granting GM powers isn't a matter of assigning mods to the back room to handle GHRs - it's just giving them a bigger and more effective toolbox. It's a promotion based on our trust in their ability and reliability rather than a specific game need.

All GMs are also FMs. Being promoted doesn't mean you stop monitoring the forums. I work both sides of the game about equally, as do most of the GMs.


My point though Fris, is that what's the use in having a "bigger and more effective toolbox" if the mod isn't around to use it? Again, people who have the bigger toolbox and fall inactive are different to people who are inactive and then get the bigger toolbox.

I'm not sure what your last line is referring too. Of course GMs moderate the forums. But FMs can't moderate gameside. So an examination of forumside activity provides a more accurate picture of overall FM activity, than overall GM activity (which could only increase!). That doesn't serve to rebuke my claim of inactivity posted earlier.

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Postby Romic » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:25 pm

I think we need a speech from them :p
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Postby Bezombia » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:27 pm

Enfaru wrote:We have...

1 Site Admin
2 Game Admin
1 Cute Purple Dinosaur
1 Forum Admin

19 Global Moderators / Game Moderators
2 Senior Game Moderators
1 Senior Issues Moderator

In total we have 27 Mods (and one techie)

At the last count we have 140,313 nations

That's 1 mod for every 5196 players (assuming all of them are active all of the time). This site is far from over moderated.

To put that in perspective in 2008 Phpbb had 1 mod for every 2500 users https://blog.phpbb.com/2008/08/12/how-m ... ally-need/
Others believe that a higher ratio is required http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/ge ... moderators

The general consensus appears roughly at 1 mod for every 3000 users. Given that there are 200 users on right now (and apparently no mods) I'd say there might be a problem with understaffing.


NS isn't just a forum, though. A minority of players go on the forum, and gameside (one would presume) isn't as infracturous as forumside.
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Postby Ardchoille » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:34 pm

Flibbleites wrote:One perk of modhood is the ability to login invisibly so just because you may not see us in the online users list, doesn't mean we're not there.

Or not logging in at all, just soaring high above reading the forums, then swoop! Like a hawk! Like an eagle! Ah-ha, my pretty chickens!!!

Though I suppose with Mall it'll be more like circling lazily around until he scents blood in the water.

Mouse will, uh, steal the cheese from gameside traps? Nibble away at the boastful blethering of ITGs? Leave nothing but the stale crumbs of despair for our (surprisingly few, really) internet bullies to feast on?
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