Discussion: Have the mods gone far enough?

[Gradea]

The discussion I am starting is 'Have the mods gone too far?'. I believe the mods do a good job on NationStates but they can be a bit trigger happy with the ban button.

[Chester Pearson]

This would be the wrong forum....

[The Corparation]

Better Question: Have the Mods gone far enough?

[Toronina]

No. They mods do a great job, not everyone is going to agree with their decisions, but from what I can tell, it's no easy feat. Reploid, Nervun, Dread Lady etc. Deserve our thanks for doing their jobs. Without out them, NS would be a wasteland of spam. They don't get paid, they do this out of their own good will. Sometime they may make a mistake, but who has not made a mistake before.

[Empire of Narnia]

No, they are a heck of a lot better than mods on most websites.

Did somebody popular get banned recently?

[Eastern Equestria]

Better Question: Have the Mods gone far enough?

[Sichuan Pepper]

I think the Mods deserve a pay rise. I for one am willing to triple it right here and now.

[Toronina]

I think the Mods deserve a pay rise. I for one am willing to triple it right here and now.

I don't think they get paid. Though if they did, I would agree.

[Empire of Narnia]

I think the Mods deserve a pay rise. I for one am willing to triple it right here and now.

They are all volunteer moderators.

[Bthalft]

As long as the site hasn't become like The Nexus, the mods are doing great.

[Sichuan Pepper]

Hence my offer to triple it

[Gradea]

As long as the site hasn't become like The Nexus, the mods are doing great.

What's the Nexus?

[Bthalft]

As long as the site hasn't become like The Nexus, the mods are doing great.

What's the Nexus?

A site that people today generally go to for Skyrim mods. But the moderators. If they were to be rated for corruption, they'd get a slick 11/10.

[The Corparation]

Better Question: Have the Mods gone far enough?

You act like I'm joking. The mods should bring down the ban hammer more often.

[Gradea]

You act like I'm joking. The mods should bring down the ban hammer more often.

I don't believe so.

[The Corparation]

You act like I'm joking. The mods should bring down the ban hammer more often.

I don't believe so.

I do. As someone who has been on this site for 5 years, I'd say that, overall, the mods have become much more lenient, or at the very least much more hesitant to act with regards to rule violations such as trolling. Posting a provocative opinion which a few years back would have been smacked down quickly as an obvious troll, now allows one free reign to spread their bullshit for extended periods of time as legitimate opinions we need to "argue down".

There's other issues I see with the current state of the forum, i.e. established and respected posters leaving of becoming less active,and a large demographics shift the average age on the forum decreasing significantly over the past several years. (compare 2010 to 2014 as well as sharp drop in the number of females on this site 18% in 2011 vs 10% only 2 years later Overall though I think that these issues to back to the shift in moderation's position regarding what does and doesn't constitute trolling.

Trolls don't care about warnings. Trolls don't care about nation deletions. For the most part, trolls don't even care about being banned from a forum all together, they'll just go find another. It matters to everyone else. The population you end up with is indicative of how you handle trolls like this. And every time you let someone go "oh I love first class, otherwise I'd have to sit with smell poor people!" Every time you let someone post a "not equals" sign in protest of gay marriage rights cases as their flag, every time you let someone complain about "my family makes $500,000 a year, I don't want to pay for some crack whore to have a 12th kid" and you do NOTHING about it, you cause intelligent, mature adults to go "you know what? fuck this. I'm out". When you let profoundly misogynistic viewpoints fester and linger, you drive away women.


And this is not speculation. This is demographically PROVEN. Look:

In 2010 43% of NSG was 21+, 16% of the forum was 15 or under.
in 2014 29% of NSG was 21+, 24% of the forum was 15 or under.

What's especially damning about this is, think about what this means. If NSG had a stable population, average age would rise. That's what people DO right? They get older. In 4 years the average age of NSG has dropped about 4 years. But this doesn't mean that for everyone of age X who leaves, someone of age X-4 joins. The percentage of the population that stayed would logically age 4 years in the gap. In order for average age to drop 4 years in a 4 year span, and maintain a roughly stable population with a certain % exodus and a certain % joining fresh, for every person who leaves someone on average 6.5 years YOUNGER must join to counter act the logical impact time has on average age. In short, if population was stable, we'd expect an average age 4 years older 4 years later. If we were merely losing an average of 4 years for every time a poster leaves and another poster joins, average age would remain the same.

What we have seen is a DRAMATIC drop in average age of joining posters, and a DRAMATIC drop in average age of retained posters, this is the only way to account for an average age DECLINING across time. This is not simply a matter of older posters outnumbered by younger ones, the poll sample had similar sizes?

What about gender? Well gender doesn't change with time, so we should see a fairly static number.

In 2011 18% of NSG identified as female.
In 2014 10% of NSG identified as female.

There's really nothing I really need to say about that is there?

[NERVUN]

I for one say... NO! We can go farther, faster, higher. We have the technology, we can make us BETTER! The $6 Million Dollar Mod! Mod your Mod today!







Why are you all LOOKING at me like that?

[Alyakia]

No. They mods do a great job, not everyone is going to agree with their decisions, but from what I can tell, it's no easy feat. Reploid, Nervun, Dread Lady etc. Deserve our thanks for doing their jobs. Without out them, NS would be a wasteland of spam. They don't get paid, they do this out of their own good will. Sometime they may make a mistake, but who has not made a mistake before.

eh. there are good mods, ok mods and bad mods. i don't see why they need to get treated as a monolith.

[Shazbotdom]

I for one say... NO! We can go farther, faster, higher. We have the technology, we can make us BETTER! The $6 Million Dollar Mod! Mod your Mod today!







Why are you all LOOKING at me like that?

I'll pay 8 Billion to upgrade your optics. Make you scout out that next rule breaker 5 months before (s)he shows up.

[Aksun]

Oh sorry budget cuts... (Slashes the mod budget by 20 billion)

[Toronina]

I for one say... NO! We can go farther, faster, higher. We have the technology, we can make us BETTER! The $6 Million Dollar Mod! Mod your Mod today!







Why are you all LOOKING at me like that?

We can rebuild them, we have the technology. But I don't want to spend much money

[Toronina]

No. They mods do a great job, not everyone is going to agree with their decisions, but from what I can tell, it's no easy feat. Reploid, Nervun, Dread Lady etc. Deserve our thanks for doing their jobs. Without out them, NS would be a wasteland of spam. They don't get paid, they do this out of their own good will. Sometime they may make a mistake, but who has not made a mistake before.

eh. there are good mods, ok mods and bad mods. i don't see why they need to get treated as a monolith.

I don't see any bad mods. The only controversy I can think of is Mall with Haven, and that was a lot earlier in the year.

[Alyakia]

eh. there are good mods, ok mods and bad mods. i don't see why they need to get treated as a monolith.

I don't see any bad mods. The only controversy I can think of is Mall with Haven, and that was a lot earlier in the year.

would you be content with "you missed a lot"?

[Big Jim P]

I don't believe so.

I do. As someone who has been on this site for 5 years, I'd say that, overall, the mods have become much more lenient, or at the very least much more hesitant to act with regards to rule violations such as trolling. Posting a provocative opinion which a few years back would have been smacked down quickly as an obvious troll, now allows one free reign to spread their bullshit for extended periods of time as legitimate opinions we need to "argue down".

There's other issues I see with the current state of the forum, i.e. established and respected posters leaving of becoming less active,and a large demographics shift the average age on the forum decreasing significantly over the past several years. (compare 2010 to 2014 as well as sharp drop in the number of females on this site 18% in 2011 vs 10% only 2 years later Overall though I think that these issues to back to the shift in moderation's position regarding what does and doesn't constitute trolling.

Trolls don't care about warnings. Trolls don't care about nation deletions. For the most part, trolls don't even care about being banned from a forum all together, they'll just go find another. It matters to everyone else. The population you end up with is indicative of how you handle trolls like this. And every time you let someone go "oh I love first class, otherwise I'd have to sit with smell poor people!" Every time you let someone post a "not equals" sign in protest of gay marriage rights cases as their flag, every time you let someone complain about "my family makes $500,000 a year, I don't want to pay for some crack whore to have a 12th kid" and you do NOTHING about it, you cause intelligent, mature adults to go "you know what? fuck this. I'm out". When you let profoundly misogynistic viewpoints fester and linger, you drive away women.


And this is not speculation. This is demographically PROVEN. Look:

In 2010 43% of NSG was 21+, 16% of the forum was 15 or under.
in 2014 29% of NSG was 21+, 24% of the forum was 15 or under.

What's especially damning about this is, think about what this means. If NSG had a stable population, average age would rise. That's what people DO right? They get older. In 4 years the average age of NSG has dropped about 4 years. But this doesn't mean that for everyone of age X who leaves, someone of age X-4 joins. The percentage of the population that stayed would logically age 4 years in the gap. In order for average age to drop 4 years in a 4 year span, and maintain a roughly stable population with a certain % exodus and a certain % joining fresh, for every person who leaves someone on average 6.5 years YOUNGER must join to counter act the logical impact time has on average age. In short, if population was stable, we'd expect an average age 4 years older 4 years later. If we were merely losing an average of 4 years for every time a poster leaves and another poster joins, average age would remain the same.

What we have seen is a DRAMATIC drop in average age of joining posters, and a DRAMATIC drop in average age of retained posters, this is the only way to account for an average age DECLINING across time. This is not simply a matter of older posters outnumbered by younger ones, the poll sample had similar sizes?

What about gender? Well gender doesn't change with time, so we should see a fairly static number.

In 2011 18% of NSG identified as female.
In 2014 10% of NSG identified as female.

There's really nothing I really need to say about that is there?

There has not really been a helluva lot of difference in my 11 years here. The mods have better coverage (what with there being more of them), but that is about it.

[Scomagia]

I think the mods do a very good job overall, though I think they can be a bit light on obvious trolls or posters who frequently post nonsense that's only barely related to the topic. I understand why, given how hard it can sometimes be to distinguish a troll from an insensitive ass, but I think there's room for improvement. I wish that they would enforce more intelligent debate in NSG, as well. It gets a bit frustrating to see the same folks repeatedly posting arguments that are based on strawmen or complete falsehoods without there being any sort of reprimand. It's one thing if it happens once in a while but having the same people consistently post completely untrustworthy sources or use arguments based outside of reality gets a bit grating.

Aside from those points, though, I applaud the mods.