Vangaziland wrote:You missed the point there, Luzi... Why should a nation HAVE to defend itself? Nice job expressing your words against me with all that writing. Yet you missed the point.
A region should defend itself because if your only security is a password, and they find out and easily go in and raid, and all you got are those with little to no influence in your region, you are screwed. However, if you have an orderly succession, or make it so most of the native has high influence (which is most likely in cases such as Haven), it will be very difficult to banject or destroy the region. Sure, you can edit the factbook (it should be backed up), and close embassies, but it would be pretty difficult to do much else.
Fartsniffage wrote:Luziyca wrote:Well, the mods have decided that only the first one should be implemented. And it worked out pretty well until you guys started to complain about how they're behind. Relax. The staff are human. They are unpaid, they are like our collective parents. Our parents are human, they have lots of stress by raising their hellions that are children.
In this case, we, the users, are the children on NS. We should obey what our parents command us to do, for it builds character, maturity, and makes things less stressful for all parties involved. However, just like in real life, many of us are undergoing teenage rebellion. They don't want to follow the orders of our parents, for they think it is stupid, arbitrary, and foolish. We don't play that kind of game. The parents if they face whiny children should eventually
STOP giving them what they want and start putting the hammer down.
You may call it censorship, but I call it justice. And if you object to the proposal, if it gets to the floor, vote no, and encourage others to do the same.
Besides, if you guys are scared and want advice for the future regarding the regions, take this advice. I will post what I think in this quote to show why.
What a bunch of condescending twaddle.
*nods*
Delmonte wrote:Ah, no. This has been a problem since the move to Jolt according to many RPers who have been around since before then.
I suppose. But it was only in the past couple years did I see these threads rise, all demanding change to how NS works. Well, it is best to keep NS as is.
Bears Armed wrote:Luziyca wrote:Really. You guys are all asking for special privileges here.
No, it's the raiders -- by insisting that they must be able to force their version of the game onto the rest of us, although nobody can force any other aspect of the game onto
them in return -- who are doing
that.
So what should we do? Shut down the game?
Great idea.
Yasuragi wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:What a bunch of condescending twaddle.
Must second this, with apologies to Luz. Good effort, but the tone in there is...off-putting, to say the least.
Yes, I acknowledge it may be off-putting to some. Point is, what I'm trying to get at is that the mods need to stop acquiescing to the demands. However, I'm personally on the side of "keep calm and carry on," which is why I'm defending the mods, the R&Ders and the roleplayers. But the only acceptable solution is to keep calm, and carry on. If you don't like Liberate Haven, just vote no.
Delmonte wrote:Luziyca, I get what you're doing. You're trying to seem moderate and reasonable and like the Devil's advocate and you're maybe even trying to pander favor with Moderation. But you're just coming off as someone who hasn't read anything and is backbiting against his own community. So knock it off.
First off, I am trying to be reasonable, compared to the unleavened masses who have complained about the status quo and wish to see it change. However, I am not pandering favor with moderation.
Fartsniffage wrote:New Babylonia wrote:Agreed.
Luz, several problems with your 'survey'. A) I don't entirely believe it happened. But for the most part, I assume you did. B) You assume these people knew anything about the situation, or anything about either side. C) You have no way of knowing if telegrammed 200 separate people, or nations. You may tged 200 nations, but only 15 people because you hit their puppets.
And, lastly, I don't believe the percentages either. As you can see, quite a damned sizable percent of the NS community is more than a little displeased right now.
Personally, I'd be interested to see the question used....
The questions "Should the status quo continue?" and "What is wrong with the current situation?"
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I don';t think this is about people complaining a lot in the past couple of years.
This issue, in particular, needs to be discussed because it is obvious, if the proposal is approved, that a big sector of the population of this forum who has stated time and time again that they wish to remain out of the childish game of raiding and have passworded their regions, will be forced to cater to another sector of the NS population that thinks they have a right to raid regions, even when members of said regions do not want to be raided, just because it ''spices'' up the game and some of these regions are founderless now.
Nope, not cool at all.
Uh, people have. More mods, mods "protecting" certain groups, et cetera.
Also, if it is approved, there is an obvious choice, and that is to vote no, since there is no way in hell or high water will that resolution ever pass. However, the chance of this "proposal" ever getting quorum to get on the floor is nil. And if in the event it somehow passes, it is doubtful that Haven can be raided due to the high influence of the members, meaning it is next to impossible to destroy the region.
I think that what we need to do is end the discussion now, wait at least a few months, then let the cooler heads decide.