A ban on Trigger Warnings [discussion]

[Blazedtown]

I, along a few others have expressed our displeasure with a certain user trying to import the idiotic idea of posting "trigger warnings" on a thread, implying that people are so weak that the mere mention of anything slightly discomforting could send people into a panic attack. I for one, would not like to see this place turn into Tumblr.

So what say you, great folks of NS?

[Llamalandia]

I, along a few others have expressed our displeasure with a certain user trying to import the idiotic idea of posting "trigger warnings" on a thread, implying that people are so weak that the mere mention of anything slightly discomforting could send people into a panic attack. I for one, would not like to see this place turn into Tumblr.

So what say you, great folks of NS?

Don't need an all out ban, but they absolutely must not be made mandatory even for the worst content (which arguably is already limited somewhat by nationstates rules). I think if people want to self censor well technically that's covered under free speech. Again as long as they aren't a requirement or added by mods without poster permssion I have no real problem with them remain totally optional.

[Blazedtown]

I, along a few others have expressed our displeasure with a certain user trying to import the idiotic idea of posting "trigger warnings" on a thread, implying that people are so weak that the mere mention of anything slightly discomforting could send people into a panic attack. I for one, would not like to see this place turn into Tumblr.

So what say you, great folks of NS?

Don't need an all out ban, but they absolutely must not be made mandatory even for the worst content (which arguably is already limited somewhat by nationstates rules). I think if people want to self censor well technically that's covered under free speech. Again as long as they aren't a requirement or added by mods without poster permssion I have no real problem with them remain totally optional.

My fear is that with summer more or less here, we might see a mass migration from tumblr, and a short term crackdown may be needed to set the standard, at which point it can be loosened up in the fall when things return to somewhat normalcy.

[Revanchism]

Don't need an all out ban, but they absolutely must not be made mandatory even for the worst content (which arguably is already limited somewhat by nationstates rules). I think if people want to self censor well technically that's covered under free speech. Again as long as they aren't a requirement or added by mods without poster permssion I have no real problem with them remain totally optional.

My fear is that with summer more or less here, we might see a mass migration from tumblr, and a short term crackdown may be needed to set the standard, at which point it can be loosened up in the fall when things return to somewhat normalcy.

>Summer
>"Mass migration from Tumblr"
I think you meant to say "Mass migration from Stormfront", and I'm far more afraid of that than I ever will be of a migration from Tumblr. One hasn't ever really happened, the other has happened repeatedly ad infitum. One would be annoying, the other is scary. I'll leave you to figure out which is which.
I happen to think that trigger warnings are, in fact, a good thing, and your trivialization and misrepresentation of other's struggles is both unnecessary and patronizing.

[The Scientific States]

I, along a few others have expressed our displeasure with a certain user trying to import the idiotic idea of posting "trigger warnings" on a thread, implying that people are so weak that the mere mention of anything slightly discomforting could send people into a panic attack. I for one, would not like to see this place turn into Tumblr.

So what say you, great folks of NS?

I really don't see the problem with it. It doesn't harm you, and it's no big deal. If a OP feels the need to say trigger warning on their thread, it's fine.

[The Emerald Dragon]

My fear is that with summer more or less here, we might see a mass migration from tumblr, and a short term crackdown may be needed to set the standard, at which point it can be loosened up in the fall when things return to somewhat normalcy.

>Summer
>"Mass migration from Tumblr"
I think you meant to say "Mass migration from Stormfront", and I'm far more afraid of that than I ever will be of a migration from Tumblr. One hasn't ever really happened, the other has happened repeatedly ad infitum. One would be annoying, the other is scary. I'll leave you to figure out which is which.
I happen to think that trigger warnings are, in fact, a good thing, and your trivialization and misrepresentation of other's struggles is both unnecessary and patronizing.

We must burn Israel, and eat Homosexuals alive

[Blazedtown]

My fear is that with summer more or less here, we might see a mass migration from tumblr, and a short term crackdown may be needed to set the standard, at which point it can be loosened up in the fall when things return to somewhat normalcy.

>Summer
>"Mass migration from Tumblr"
I think you meant to say "Mass migration from Stormfront", and I'm far more afraid of that than I ever will be of a migration from Tumblr. One hasn't ever really happened, the other has happened repeatedly ad infitum. One would be annoying, the other is scary. I'll leave you to figure out which is which.
I happen to think that trigger warnings are, in fact, a good thing, and your trivialization and misrepresentation of other's struggles is both unnecessary and patronizing.

Stormfront trolls are easy enough for the mods to spot and deal with it. Tumblr denizens are much more likely to stick around than the summer crowd of stormfront asshats.

[Greater Istanistan]

Look. If somebody wants to put trigger warnings on their thread, then they have every right to and you have no real excuse for whining about it. It's never going to catch on to all threads, and generally the mods try to keep things PG-13.

Don't be an insensitive asshole, by the way. You have an entirely different world experience than people who need trigger warnings. At the risk of sounding clichéd, you have no idea what the people who actually need trigger warnings have been through, so you can't dismiss them.

If somebody was sent into shock or had a serious nervous breakdown because a post did trigger something, that would clearly be terrible. It's not that hard to warn people beforehand that your post gets gory or whatever. In fact, it's common courtesy.

[Blazedtown]

Look. If somebody wants to put trigger warnings on their thread, then they have every right to and you have no real excuse for whining about it. It's never going to catch on to all threads, and generally the mods try to keep things PG-13.

Don't be an insensitive asshole, by the way. You have an entirely different world experience than people who need trigger warnings. At the risk of sounding clichéd, you have no idea what the people who actually need trigger warnings have been through, so you can't dismiss them.

If somebody was sent into shock or had a serious nervous breakdown because a post did trigger something, that would clearly be terrible. It's not that hard to warn people beforehand that your post gets gory or whatever. In fact, it's common courtesy.

We don't allow gory post anyway, so that's moot. And as a rape victim, we are not so flimsy in constitution that we need warnings to protect us from being vaguely offended.

[Greater Istanistan]

That's all well and good, but can you speak for all rape victims in saying that? Are you sure that somewhere out on the Internet there's not even a single rape victim with a flimsy constitution? Not even one?

I don't see why we should impede a process that harms nobody and could possibly make somebody's day. I'm not saying that they should be mandatory, as that would be impossible to enforce. But what's to stop somebody from doing something well-intentioned and completely harmless?

[The Fanboyists]

So what exactly is the big deal? Why should we ban people from voluntarily self-censoring or adding disclaimers or warnings? I mean, I could see the issue if people were forced to add such warnings, but that's not what's going on here.

[Gandoor]

And as a rape victim, we are not so flimsy in constitution that we need warnings to protect us from being vaguely offended.

I had no idea you spoke for every single rape victim in the world.

[Blazedtown]

And as a rape victim, we are not so flimsy in constitution that we need warnings to protect us from being vaguely offended.

I had no idea you spoke for every single rape victim in the world.

I don't pretend to, but I don't like idea that people need to tip toe around the subject just because it might be uncomfortable to talk about it.

[The Serbian Empire]

Don't need an all out ban, but they absolutely must not be made mandatory even for the worst content (which arguably is already limited somewhat by nationstates rules). I think if people want to self censor well technically that's covered under free speech. Again as long as they aren't a requirement or added by mods without poster permssion I have no real problem with them remain totally optional.

My fear is that with summer more or less here, we might see a mass migration from tumblr, and a short term crackdown may be needed to set the standard, at which point it can be loosened up in the fall when things return to somewhat normalcy.

As Tumblr grows, I think we need to make a permanent ban on trigger warnings. It's cluttering the space of titles and thus really limits the length of a thread title.

So what exactly is the big deal? Why should we ban people from voluntarily self-censoring or adding disclaimers or warnings? I mean, I could see the issue if people were forced to add such warnings, but that's not what's going on here.

It's a matter of culture and I doubt Tumblr culture is conducive to debate particularly in NSG. Tumblr is essentially a circlejerk.

[Gandoor]

Tumblr is essentially a circlejerk.

This very site is a circlejerk.

[Blazedtown]

Tumblr is essentially a circlejerk.

This very site is a circlejerk.

At least this is a moderated circlejerk.

[The Corparation]

I, along a few others have expressed our displeasure with a certain user trying to import the idiotic idea of posting "trigger warnings" on a thread, implying that people are so weak that the mere mention of anything slightly discomforting could send people into a panic attack. I for one, would not like to see this place turn into Tumblr.

So what say you, great folks of NS?

No. Its a few words. They have the possibility of giving a user a heads up they might want to stay out of the thread. I don't see their usage here as necessary or even useful, but there's nothing wrong with the idea of such a heads up (Although I dislike the term itself)l. If you don't have the trauma or don't care its not like those two words or a similar warning are going to have any affect on you other than showing up in thread titles every now and then. Is the idea of a user being concerned for the feelings of people who gave gone through trauma of some sort so annoying a thing that you cannot stand to see the phrase "Trigger Warning" every now and then?

Tumblr is essentially a circlejerk.

This very site is a circlejerk.

Welcome to the fucking internet kids. The entire web is one big circle-jerk.

[Transnapastain]

I'm really failing to see how almost any of the above is appropriate for a discussion in moderation?

A link to...whatever someone is requesting these "trigger warnings" would be nice, please. I know for a fact that discussion of Tumblr's cultural and its supposed "circle jerk"ness doesn't belong here at all. SO lets drop that and see if we can get this on a "related to NS" wavelength?

Or I can move this to NSG?

[Blazedtown]

I'm really failing to see how almost any of the above is appropriate for a discussion in moderation?

A link to...whatever someone is requesting these "trigger warnings" would be nice, please. I know for a fact that discussion of Tumblr's cultural and its supposed "circle jerk"ness doesn't belong here at all. SO lets drop that and see if we can get this on a "related to NS" wavelength?

Or I can move this to NSG?

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=298322

The OP used trigger warning in the title, and some of us don't want the idea to catch on. This a preemptive effort.

[Transnapastain]

I'm really failing to see how almost any of the above is appropriate for a discussion in moderation?

A link to...whatever someone is requesting these "trigger warnings" would be nice, please. I know for a fact that discussion of Tumblr's cultural and its supposed "circle jerk"ness doesn't belong here at all. SO lets drop that and see if we can get this on a "related to NS" wavelength?

Or I can move this to NSG?

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=298322

The OP used trigger warning in the title, and some of us don't want the idea to catch on. This a preemptive effort.

Thank you

There is zero danger of that catching on, I assure you. If people want to put such things in their thread titles, there's really no problem with it. There are no plans, now or forthcoming, to include the idea of "trigger warnings" in the sites rules, or include them in any official capacity, now and forever

Amen.

Edit: Mixed signals, thread unlocked, feel free to continue to discuss if desired.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I'm really failing to see how almost any of the above is appropriate for a discussion in moderation?

A link to...whatever someone is requesting these "trigger warnings" would be nice, please. I know for a fact that discussion of Tumblr's cultural and its supposed "circle jerk"ness doesn't belong here at all. SO lets drop that and see if we can get this on a "related to NS" wavelength?

Or I can move this to NSG?

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=298322

The OP used trigger warning in the title, and some of us don't want the idea to catch on. This a preemptive effort.

I suspect they will catch on very quickly the meaninglessness of such action. I suspect it might see very brief use by some as an attempt to avoid moderation for trolling. It won't work, therefore, it won't last.

[The Serbian Empire]

Leaves cookies for mods.

[The divided]

I'm really failing to see how almost any of the above is appropriate for a discussion in moderation?

A link to...whatever someone is requesting these "trigger warnings" would be nice, please. I know for a fact that discussion of Tumblr's cultural and its supposed "circle jerk"ness doesn't belong here at all. SO lets drop that and see if we can get this on a "related to NS" wavelength?

Or I can move this to NSG?

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=298322

The OP used trigger warning in the title, and some of us don't want the idea to catch on. This a preemptive effort.

I in no way want to make that into a site rule. It was my decision alone. But having a site rule to ban the words "trigger warning" is absolutely absurd.

Imagine that as a rule, "no saying (trigger warning)". Please.

[The Emerald Dragon]

I had no idea you spoke for every single rape victim in the world.

I don't pretend to, but I don't like idea that people need to tip toe around the subject just because it might be uncomfortable to talk about it.

I had no idea you were a rape victim.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I don't pretend to, but I don't like idea that people need to tip toe around the subject just because it might be uncomfortable to talk about it.

I had no idea you were a rape victim.

Chilly down, folks ... anyone can be a victim. Let's not get all stupidly judgmental here. This is about trigger warnings, not everything else to go with it. Thank you.