Moderation staffing levels discussion

[Bezombia]

*cue mentors using new posters as ammunition for their own political beliefs*

Even leaving bias out of it -- truly, can you imagine some of our more... forceful posters taking well to being directed to calm down and speak more respectfully?

Not to mention that "trial by fire" is far better at teaching newbies how to properly hold their own argument then any mentorship could ever be.

[Euroslavia]

Even leaving bias out of it -- truly, can you imagine some of our more... forceful posters taking well to being directed to calm down and speak more respectfully?

Not to mention that "trial by fire" is far better at teaching newbies how to properly hold their own argument then any mentorship could ever be.

Completely agreed here. Kat summed up my opinion very well on the topic.

[Ethel mermania]

*cue mentors using new posters as ammunition for their own political beliefs*

Even leaving bias out of it -- truly, can you imagine some of our more... forceful posters taking well to being directed to calm down and speak more respectfully?

when you get right down to it thats he whole point of moderation

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Even leaving bias out of it -- truly, can you imagine some of our more... forceful posters taking well to being directed to calm down and speak more respectfully?

when you get right down to it thats he whole point of moderation

True, and we get enough grief as is without adding another layer of players to 'share in the fun' that way.

[The Dark Star Republic]

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[Ardchoille]

I thought I answered your December one in another thread that raised the same issue -- I should have pointed you to it, but I made the same mistake players make about mods, ie, assuming you read every post in your forum of choice. I'll find it and TG you the link.

As for Uni's, that was definitely my bad, and I expect it will cost me flowers, chocolates and theatre tickets. Again, I thought I'd essentially answered it in a thread Auralia had at the same time as Uni's. But on reviewing it two days ago, when he posted a polite nudge, I was reminded that it had a different twist. WIth an unusual number of proposals in the list it has been a little difficult to get back to it, but I'll deal with it.

On the issue of mod numbers, "at the moment" is simply a statement of fact. We have four WA mods on the books, but two of them are currently out of action. Of the remaining pair, Kryo, as well as helping mow the long grass of the proposals list, is also picking up the slack in a techie area I'm hopeless at. When you consider that WA queries are seldom matters on which mods can just dash off a reply, owing to the tendency of players to pore over rulings for meanings. then still deeper meanings, then haul them out a year later as precedent, we are stretched thin.

But, even with the introduction of the new category, I feel we're keeping our heads above water with just the occasional wave in our faces. We know the shortage will be met soon when other pressing RL matters are resolved. In the meantime, we would greatly appreciate gentle assistance from the regulars in showing befuddled newcomers around.

On the remainder of your post, you really should read [violet]'s "good faith" post, here. I don't feel that your snark at another player is in good faith for a discussion, so I'll be removing as much as I can of those sections, while trying to retain the relevant NS WA query part.

[The Dark Star Republic]

I thought I answered your December one in another thread that raised the same issue -- I should have pointed you to it, but I made the same mistake players make about mods, ie, assuming you read every post in your forum of choice. I'll find it and TG you the link.

I'm incredibly sceptical this answer you're alluding to actually exists as I see no post that remotely corresponds to it, but I guess after you publicly rebuked me in a thread in which other players were flaming me for daring to question you, I'll have to make do with a TG response rather than a public discussion. Thanks.

In the meantime, we would greatly appreciate gentle assistance from the regulars in showing befuddled newcomers around.

I don't think that's a very good idea. I wrote "Ban on Slavery and Trafficking", a resolution your recent "all nations" ruling would have rendered illegal. I have written just about more resolutions than any other player in the history of this game, and I clearly don't understand the rules. Perhaps the "befuddled" new players will fare better.

I don't feel that your snark at another player is in good faith for a discussion, so I'll be removing as much as I can of those sections, while trying to retain the relevant NS WA query part.

As I am sure you will be removing your own "snark" about the tendency of WA players to pore over rulings.

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But, even with the introduction of the new category, I feel we're keeping our heads above water with just the occasional wave in our faces. We know the shortage will be met soon when other pressing RL matters are resolved.

Fair enough. I am glad to hear it. :) Consider my concern resolved.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

I don't know if anyone else thinks this, but their are a few active gameplayers on the moderator team, but no committed raiders at the moment.

Is it not possible that you could appoint an active raider to the moderation team in order to equal things out a bit?

[Mallorea and Riva]

I don't know if anyone else thinks this, but their are a few active gameplayers on the moderator team, but no committed raiders at the moment.

Is it not possible that you could appoint an active raider to the moderation team in order to equal things out a bit?

We actually had this discussion a few months ago, basically we were told to submit names. Any request for additional moderator staff will result in being told to suggest a candidate and then they'll look at it.
EDIT: And to be fair there aren't technically any active defenders. Just former defenders, mods that hate raiders, and mods that hate both sides

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

I don't know if anyone else thinks this, but their are a few active gameplayers on the moderator team, but no committed raiders at the moment.

Is it not possible that you could appoint an active raider to the moderation team in order to equal things out a bit?

We actually had this discussion a few months ago, basically we were told to submit names. Any request for additional moderator staff will result in being told to suggest a candidate and then they'll look at it.
EDIT: And to be fair there aren't technically any active defenders. Just former defenders, mods that hate raiders, and mods that hate both sides

I know for a fact they've received a 2009 copy of the Aeazen combine membership list, but I don't think that really counts.

Anyway, next time they have a call for names, I'll have a few to nominate.

[The Archregimancy]

Anyway, next time they have a call for names, I'll have a few to nominate.

As we've noted elsewhere in this thread, you don't have to wait for a formal call for names - nominations can be made at any time.

Just be sure to state why you think a mod is needed with expertise in a specific area (noting mods are never restricted to a single area) alongside the actual nomination if that information is particularly relevant.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

Oh OK.

So if I think that a certain long-standing raider with a very clean rulebreaking record deserves to be made a moderator, I'll certainly do it at about 5 pm gmt today.

[Sedgistan]

I don't know if anyone else thinks this, but their are a few active gameplayers on the moderator team, but no committed raiders at the moment.

Is it not possible that you could appoint an active raider to the moderation team in order to equal things out a bit?

We actually had this discussion a few months ago, basically we were told to submit names. Any request for additional moderator staff will result in being told to suggest a candidate and then they'll look at it.
EDIT: And to be fair there aren't technically any active defenders. Just former defenders, mods that hate raiders, and mods that hate both sides

Sadly, no-one did. Not that we can't add people without nominations, but it certainly jolts us into action. I'm surprised Crushing Our Enemies never got nominated when this discussion was had some time in 2012. Sadly, he seems to have disappeared into the obscurity of TNP politics since then (or he's planning a really big raid...)

[Frisbeeteria]

So if I think that a certain long-standing raider with a very clean rulebreaking record deserves to be made a moderator, I'll certainly do it at about 5 pm gmt today.

Bear in mind that nobody gets appointed directly to Game Mod. You have to apprentice as Forum Mod for a while first, so that takes an active forum presence as a starting point.

[Mallorea and Riva]

We actually had this discussion a few months ago, basically we were told to submit names. Any request for additional moderator staff will result in being told to suggest a candidate and then they'll look at it.
EDIT: And to be fair there aren't technically any active defenders. Just former defenders, mods that hate raiders, and mods that hate both sides

Sadly, no-one did. Not that we can't add people without nominations, but it certainly jolts us into action. I'm surprised Crushing Our Enemies never got nominated when this discussion was had some time in 2012. Sadly, he seems to have disappeared into the obscurity of TNP politics since then (or he's planning a really big raid...)

He's been sucked into the blackhole of depravity and crushing boredom that is TNP I take a break for a few months and all my friends think that it's ok to stop raiding and taking the fight to the evil biased defender mods natives. I think part of it is the expectation that mod candidates should be significantly older players (which makes sense to a degree), but then the fact that amongst the older raiders there may be a degree of... ohhh what's the word I'm looking for... distrust for the moderation staff? Not making comments on whether or not such feelings are justified or not, simply noting that in some cases this may apply.

[Sedgistan]

He's been sucked into the blackhole of depravity and crushing boredom that is TNP I take a break for a few months and all my friends think that it's ok to stop raiding and taking the fight to the evil biased defender mods natives. I think part of it is the expectation that mod candidates should be significantly older players (which makes sense to a degree), but then the fact that amongst the older raiders there may be a degree of... ohhh what's the word I'm looking for... distrust for the moderation staff? Not making comments on whether or not such feelings are justified or not, simply noting that in some cases this may apply.

If you think there are good candidates out there, nominate them anyway. If needs be, we can twist their arm until they accept. It's also not as though any of the existing mods have never previously had... difficulties of their own with the team. Also, we will still consider more recent players.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

We should find a single nominee from the raider community, and give him/her our full endorsement. That way, we don't ostrasise certain groups.

Any thoughts?

[Alyakia]

Oh OK.

So if I think that a certain long-standing raider with a very clean rulebreaking record deserves to be made a moderator, I'll certainly do it at about 5 pm gmt today.

We should find a single nominee from the raider community, and give him/her our full endorsement. That way, we don't ostrasise certain groups.

Any thoughts?

I can't tell if you have a massive hatred of raiders or if you're a raider with a massive persecution complex.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

I'm something of a gameplay neutral, at the moment.

I know that particular raider, and I have nominated him. I don't have a persecution complex, but we really should have people from every side of gameplay.

[Reploid Productions]

He's been sucked into the blackhole of depravity and crushing boredom that is TNP I take a break for a few months and all my friends think that it's ok to stop raiding and taking the fight to the evil biased defender mods natives. I think part of it is the expectation that mod candidates should be significantly older players (which makes sense to a degree), but then the fact that amongst the older raiders there may be a degree of... ohhh what's the word I'm looking for... distrust for the moderation staff? Not making comments on whether or not such feelings are justified or not, simply noting that in some cases this may apply.

Heh, ten years ago, pre-Influence, I know I certainly had a very hefty anti-raider bias, I think most of the old guard did, though that was owed primarily to trying to enforce that godawful quagmire that was the pre-influence invasion rules more than anything. NOBODY liked that ruleset, raiders, defenders, OR mods, but it was the best we had with the tools we had available at the time.

[Mallorea and Riva]

He's been sucked into the blackhole of depravity and crushing boredom that is TNP I take a break for a few months and all my friends think that it's ok to stop raiding and taking the fight to the evil biased defender mods natives. I think part of it is the expectation that mod candidates should be significantly older players (which makes sense to a degree), but then the fact that amongst the older raiders there may be a degree of... ohhh what's the word I'm looking for... distrust for the moderation staff? Not making comments on whether or not such feelings are justified or not, simply noting that in some cases this may apply.

Heh, ten years ago, pre-Influence, I know I certainly had a very hefty anti-raider bias, I think most of the old guard did, though that was owed primarily to trying to enforce that godawful quagmire that was the pre-influence invasion rules more than anything. NOBODY liked that ruleset, raiders, defenders, OR mods, but it was the best we had with the tools we had available at the time.

Well maybe of you had just let my predecessors do whatever they wanted without your pesky rules then you wouldn't have had to try and enforce them! Take that!

But that's what I was getting at to a degree, I feel as though there has always existed a fundamentally different relationship between raiders and mods when compared to fendas and mods.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

Heh, ten years ago, pre-Influence, I know I certainly had a very hefty anti-raider bias, I think most of the old guard did, though that was owed primarily to trying to enforce that godawful quagmire that was the pre-influence invasion rules more than anything. NOBODY liked that ruleset, raiders, defenders, OR mods, but it was the best we had with the tools we had available at the time.

Well maybe of you had just let my predecessors do whatever they wanted without your pesky rules then you wouldn't have had to try and enforce them! Take that!

But that's what I was getting at to a degree, I feel as though there has always existed a fundamentally different relationship between raiders and mods when compared to fendas and mods.

We don't really need either, to be honest. Just let raiders do what they like to natives: it's their own fault they got themselves into this mess.

But aside from that, how about one of the older tbr people, or Evil Wolf for mod? Or Aeazer, he's got a clean rule-breaking record.

[The Blaatschapen]

Well maybe of you had just let my predecessors do whatever they wanted without your pesky rules then you wouldn't have had to try and enforce them! Take that!

But that's what I was getting at to a degree, I feel as though there has always existed a fundamentally different relationship between raiders and mods when compared to fendas and mods.

We don't really need either, to be honest. Just let raiders do what they like to natives: it's their own fault they got themselves into this mess.

But aside from that, how about one of the older tbr people, or Evil Wolf for mod? Or Aeazer, he's got a clean rule-breaking record.

Read viewtopic.php?p=2190782#p2190782 and if you're serious, suggest them through the method given there. Though you can still brainstorm names here of course (to get more input from fellow players).

[Bezombia]

Well maybe of you had just let my predecessors do whatever they wanted without your pesky rules then you wouldn't have had to try and enforce them! Take that!

But that's what I was getting at to a degree, I feel as though there has always existed a fundamentally different relationship between raiders and mods when compared to fendas and mods.

We don't really need either, to be honest. Just let raiders do what they like to natives: it's their own fault they got themselves into this mess.

But aside from that, how about one of the older tbr people, or Evil Wolf for mod? Or Aeazer, he's got a clean rule-breaking record.

Or Caninope, but I think he turned down a nomination in the past.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

Well Aeazer wasn't serious, but the other 2 have already gone through that email address.