Moderation staffing levels discussion

[Cerillium]

That's one reason why the mentors exist. Though, I think that we could have some dedicated GE&T mentors, as well.

I'm thinking along the lines of General itself. We've had some issues come up (Cameroi, depression thread etc) where a neutral and soothing "voice" might have helped ease rising acrimony.

I suppose the only comparison I can make is with actual Mentors. I don't know II very well so I'm looking at P2TM. Night is stern. I seem stern. Even Zark and G-Tech can come across as stern. One of us posting "We're working on it" might come off as gruff. Swith is habitually friendly and neutral. "We're working on it" usually seems to be followed by invisible kitten whiskers. She balances us. Likewise, when a Mod says "We're working on it", people might assume it's followed by "'Nuff said" because their job is to render decisions in a stern fashion.

This Moderator could primarily function in the Moderation forum. "The helpful Mod, Skippy."

Feh. Spitballing here. It's most likely not realistic or feasible.

[Esternial]

But not all the mods do it, I'm pretty sure.

Most have some sort of 'thing' they do that sorts out when they're just posting, and when they're posting under mod hat. *** Redtext *** is a big indicator. Other's sign off as a mod. Others like myself, use color to denote. But there is generally some obvious pointer, with the exception of simply answering questions and other things that do not require a more firm 'voice'.

This wasn't always the case, though. I even recall a case involving yourself, but the past in the past and today is the present. The fact you've adopted a usage of red font colours when posting in official capacity will no doubt help make the distinction between Nathi the Mod and Nathi the NotMod.

I'd encourage other Mods to do the same, but that's their own choice.

So we need moderators in Asia as well?

It's one of our dark spots, yes. Basically, between me and Arch there is no one (me in Netherlands, him in Dubai). And between Arch and East-Asia/Oceania (Nervun and the Australian/NZ mods) there is also no one.

Nightkill the Emperor for Mod!

[Lamoni]

That's one reason why the mentors exist. Though, I think that we could have some dedicated GE&T mentors, as well.

I'm thinking along the lines of General itself. We've had some issues come up (Cameroi, depression thread etc) where a neutral and soothing "voice" might have helped ease rising acrimony.

I suppose the only comparison I can make is with actual Mentors. I don't know II very well so I'm looking at P2TM. Night is stern. I seem stern. Even Zark and G-Tech can come across as stern. One of us posting "We're working on it" might come off as gruff. Swith is habitually friendly and neutral. "We're working on it" usually seems to be followed by invisible kitten whiskers. She balances us. Likewise, when a Mod says "We're working on it", people might assume it's followed by "'Nuff said" because their job is to render decisions in a stern fashion.

This Moderator could primarily function in the Moderation forum. "The helpful Mod, Skippy."

Feh. Spitballing here. It's most likely not realistic or feasible.

The key is finding people who meet the following three criteria (for NSG mentors):

1.) The candidate would have to have been in NSG for long enough to have developed a reputation amonst the inhabitants thereof, and get the general gist of how things go in NSG.

2.) The candidate would need to be someone who preferably hasn't had too many run-ins with moderation.

3.) The candidate needs to be able to give advice that will help the player or players involved. Gruff people can get the job done (though being nice does tend to go farther), as long as they are respectful to others who need the help/advice, and are also proactive to see where they can further help.

***

As for the P2TM mentor staff, i'd say that you might have been slightly overwhelmed with the responsibility at first. You guys got to define how mentoring works in P2TM, and made it up as you went along. From all accounts, it sounds like you've developed a fine initial cadre, and the new P2TM mentors will benefit from the knowledge and experience gained, as well the people that you mentor.

I myself had the benefit of being among others who had defined how mentoring works in II when I first became a mentor, so I had more to fall back upon. Then my natural personality kicked in, and things went from there. I'd say that the ideal mentor is a mix of three things:

1.) Personality
2.) Experience
3.) Willing to learn

If you've got the right mix of these three ingredients, you can be a terrific mentor. That's why I think that even NSG can benefit from mentors, who can assist in keeping that forum under control, just as II, GE&T, and P2TM are.

[The Blaatschapen]

Most have some sort of 'thing' they do that sorts out when they're just posting, and when they're posting under mod hat. *** Redtext *** is a big indicator. Other's sign off as a mod. Others like myself, use color to denote. But there is generally some obvious pointer, with the exception of simply answering questions and other things that do not require a more firm 'voice'.

This wasn't always the case, though. I even recall a case involving yourself, but the past in the past and today is the present. The fact you've adopted a usage of red font colours when posting in official capacity will no doubt help make the distinction between Nathi the Mod and Nathi the NotMod.

I'd encourage other Mods to do the same, but that's their own choice.

I tend to use The Blaatschapen - Nationstates Moderator at the bottom of the post when making rulings outside of the moderation forum.

[The Archregimancy]

Nightkill the Emperor for Mod!

He asked not to be considered a few pages back.

[The Blaatschapen]

Nightkill the Emperor for Mod!

He asked not to be considered a few pages back.

Everybody has their price

[Esternial]

Nightkill the Emperor for Mod!

He asked not to be considered a few pages back.

Ha, I know. He has uttered his position on it on more than one occasion.

This wasn't always the case, though. I even recall a case involving yourself, but the past in the past and today is the present. The fact you've adopted a usage of red font colours when posting in official capacity will no doubt help make the distinction between Nathi the Mod and Nathi the NotMod.

I'd encourage other Mods to do the same, but that's their own choice.

I tend to use The Blaatschapen - Nationstates Moderator at the bottom of the post when making rulings outside of the moderation forum.

Which is pretty efficient. Needn't be an universal method, but adding a signature like that definitely helps us identify when you're on duty or not, since you can't just turn that red colour on or off.

[NERVUN]

I'm thinking along the lines of General itself. We've had some issues come up (Cameroi, depression thread etc) where a neutral and soothing "voice" might have helped ease rising acrimony.

I suppose the only comparison I can make is with actual Mentors. I don't know II very well so I'm looking at P2TM. Night is stern. I seem stern. Even Zark and G-Tech can come across as stern. One of us posting "We're working on it" might come off as gruff. Swith is habitually friendly and neutral. "We're working on it" usually seems to be followed by invisible kitten whiskers. She balances us. Likewise, when a Mod says "We're working on it", people might assume it's followed by "'Nuff said" because their job is to render decisions in a stern fashion.

This Moderator could primarily function in the Moderation forum. "The helpful Mod, Skippy."

Feh. Spitballing here. It's most likely not realistic or feasible.

The key is finding people who meet the following three criteria (for NSG mentors):

1.) The candidate would have to have been in NSG for long enough to have developed a reputation amonst the inhabitants thereof, and get the general gist of how things go in NSG.

2.) The candidate would need to be someone who preferably hasn't had too many run-ins with moderation.

3.) The candidate needs to be able to give advice that will help the player or players involved. Gruff people can get the job done (though being nice does tend to go farther), as long as they are respectful to others who need the help/advice, and are also proactive to see where they can further help.

***

As for the P2TM mentor staff, i'd say that you might have been slightly overwhelmed with the responsibility at first. You guys got to define how mentoring works in P2TM, and made it up as you went along. From all accounts, it sounds like you've developed a fine initial cadre, and the new P2TM mentors will benefit from the knowledge and experience gained, as well the people that you mentor.

I myself had the benefit of being among others who had defined how mentoring works in II when I first became a mentor, so I had more to fall back upon. Then my natural personality kicked in, and things went from there. I'd say that the ideal mentor is a mix of three things:

1.) Personality
2.) Experience
3.) Willing to learn

If you've got the right mix of these three ingredients, you can be a terrific mentor. That's why I think that even NSG can benefit from mentors, who can assist in keeping that forum under control, just as II, GE&T, and P2TM are.

Just out of curiosity, what would NSG mentors do?

Seriously, I have loved watching the mentor thing take off in II and now P2TM and if I could somehow get that magic into NSG I would be a happy guy indeed.

The problem is ... what would NSG mentors actually do?

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Is there a single chance that any nominations will even be considered?

Multiple current moderators were nominated by the player base. Euro, Blaat, and Farn, for example, were all player nominations.

I'm a combination of internal moderator discussion and player nomination. When it was decided that an NS Sports mod was needed, my name kept coming up independently both within the existing moderation team and within NS Sports player nominations, so the player nominations definitely had an important role in my selection.

As the current Winter Olympics show, I remain active in NS Sports.



On the timezone issue, we do actually have a major obvious gap covered by only a single mod. I'm not talking about the Pacific - unless we find someone in Kiribati, we're never really going to bridge the gap between western North America and Japan/NZ/eastern Australia.

No, I'm talking about the gap between Japan/NZ/eastern Australia and western Europe.

In all that space, there's just l'il ol me in Dubai.

So if anyone has any suggestions for a trusted active player in East Africa, the Middle East, India, Pakistan, Central Asia and/or Siberia whom you think would make a really good mod, then by all means make it.

Please.

Arch, would it help if there was a mod who stays UP at those specific times? Not necessarily lives there, but is up at those times of day/night?

[The Blaatschapen]

Multiple current moderators were nominated by the player base. Euro, Blaat, and Farn, for example, were all player nominations.

I'm a combination of internal moderator discussion and player nomination. When it was decided that an NS Sports mod was needed, my name kept coming up independently both within the existing moderation team and within NS Sports player nominations, so the player nominations definitely had an important role in my selection.

As the current Winter Olympics show, I remain active in NS Sports.



On the timezone issue, we do actually have a major obvious gap covered by only a single mod. I'm not talking about the Pacific - unless we find someone in Kiribati, we're never really going to bridge the gap between western North America and Japan/NZ/eastern Australia.

No, I'm talking about the gap between Japan/NZ/eastern Australia and western Europe.

In all that space, there's just l'il ol me in Dubai.

So if anyone has any suggestions for a trusted active player in East Africa, the Middle East, India, Pakistan, Central Asia and/or Siberia whom you think would make a really good mod, then by all means make it.

Please.

Arch, would it help if there was a mod who stays UP at those specific times? Not necessarily lives there, but is up at those times of day/night?

We're volunteers. And while many of our forums are high school or college age, the mods tend to be at least 25 years old(I just checked, afaik the youngest is 25). And many of them have work or other things that needs their attention primarily. In short: We need our sleep, lest we become grumpy

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Arch, would it help if there was a mod who stays UP at those specific times? Not necessarily lives there, but is up at those times of day/night?

We're volunteers. And while many of our forums are high school or college age, the mods tend to be at least 25 years old(I just checked, afaik the youngest is 25). And many of them have work or other things that needs their attention primarily. In short: We need our sleep, lest we become grumpy

Yes, oh Blaat, Mod of the Sheep, greatest mod in existence. I am humbled by your reply to my modest post.

But seriously, folks...

I know you guys need sleep, which is why I suggested more mods in that area. Too bad it isn't a paying job... But on that note, are there any night crawlers?

Also, if there aren't, would it help to create a system where the mods get telegrams when a report gets X replies to it?

[Vitaphone Racing]

I'm thinking along the lines of General itself. We've had some issues come up (Cameroi, depression thread etc) where a neutral and soothing "voice" might have helped ease rising acrimony.

I suppose the only comparison I can make is with actual Mentors. I don't know II very well so I'm looking at P2TM. Night is stern. I seem stern. Even Zark and G-Tech can come across as stern. One of us posting "We're working on it" might come off as gruff. Swith is habitually friendly and neutral. "We're working on it" usually seems to be followed by invisible kitten whiskers. She balances us. Likewise, when a Mod says "We're working on it", people might assume it's followed by "'Nuff said" because their job is to render decisions in a stern fashion.

This Moderator could primarily function in the Moderation forum. "The helpful Mod, Skippy."

Feh. Spitballing here. It's most likely not realistic or feasible.

The key is finding people who meet the following three criteria (for NSG mentors):

1.) The candidate would have to have been in NSG for long enough to have developed a reputation amonst the inhabitants thereof, and get the general gist of how things go in NSG.

2.) The candidate would need to be someone who preferably hasn't had too many run-ins with moderation.

3.) The candidate needs to be able to give advice that will help the player or players involved. Gruff people can get the job done (though being nice does tend to go farther), as long as they are respectful to others who need the help/advice, and are also proactive to see where they can further help.

***

As for the P2TM mentor staff, i'd say that you might have been slightly overwhelmed with the responsibility at first. You guys got to define how mentoring works in P2TM, and made it up as you went along. From all accounts, it sounds like you've developed a fine initial cadre, and the new P2TM mentors will benefit from the knowledge and experience gained, as well the people that you mentor.

I myself had the benefit of being among others who had defined how mentoring works in II when I first became a mentor, so I had more to fall back upon. Then my natural personality kicked in, and things went from there. I'd say that the ideal mentor is a mix of three things:

1.) Personality
2.) Experience
3.) Willing to learn

If you've got the right mix of these three ingredients, you can be a terrific mentor. That's why I think that even NSG can benefit from mentors, who can assist in keeping that forum under control, just as II, GE&T, and P2TM are.

I'm a lot more pessimistic about this.

The reason certain posters in NSG are regarded as bad debaters is not because they don't know what they're doing, which is what the mentors are supposed to help out with in the roleplay forums. It's because they have either:
a) bad views which creates a large rift between them and the forums or
b) a determination to win that's so strong, they'll say anything, literally anything, if it means avoiding saying "sorry, I'm actually wrong".

I don't see how you can "mentor" people to fix this considering you can't really mentor someone out of their views, that has to be done in debate, and there's well and truly no getting through to the people in category b because they have to win.

I also cannot see how you could "mentor" someone without them thinking it's an attack on them because of their views, not the way they post.

So while I'm supportive of mentoring in the roleplay forums because I've seen the good work it's done, I'm completely opposed to it being introduced in NSG. The amount of words moderators have spent harping on things like being civil and being polite is enough to match Gone With the Wind, it's continually fallen on deaf ears.

Conclusion. NSG is NSG. Love it or leave it.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

The key is finding people who meet the following three criteria (for NSG mentors):

1.) The candidate would have to have been in NSG for long enough to have developed a reputation amonst the inhabitants thereof, and get the general gist of how things go in NSG.

2.) The candidate would need to be someone who preferably hasn't had too many run-ins with moderation.

3.) The candidate needs to be able to give advice that will help the player or players involved. Gruff people can get the job done (though being nice does tend to go farther), as long as they are respectful to others who need the help/advice, and are also proactive to see where they can further help.

***

As for the P2TM mentor staff, i'd say that you might have been slightly overwhelmed with the responsibility at first. You guys got to define how mentoring works in P2TM, and made it up as you went along. From all accounts, it sounds like you've developed a fine initial cadre, and the new P2TM mentors will benefit from the knowledge and experience gained, as well the people that you mentor.

I myself had the benefit of being among others who had defined how mentoring works in II when I first became a mentor, so I had more to fall back upon. Then my natural personality kicked in, and things went from there. I'd say that the ideal mentor is a mix of three things:

1.) Personality
2.) Experience
3.) Willing to learn

If you've got the right mix of these three ingredients, you can be a terrific mentor. That's why I think that even NSG can benefit from mentors, who can assist in keeping that forum under control, just as II, GE&T, and P2TM are.

I'm a lot more pessimistic about this.

The reason certain posters in NSG are regarded as bad debaters is not because they don't know what they're doing, which is what the mentors are supposed to help out with in the roleplay forums. It's because they have either:
a) bad views which creates a large rift between them and the forums or
b) a determination to win that's so strong, they'll say anything, literally anything, if it means avoiding saying "sorry, I'm actually wrong".

I don't see how you can "mentor" people to fix this considering you can't really mentor someone out of their views, that has to be done in debate, and there's well and truly no getting through to the people in category b because they have to win.

I also cannot see how you could "mentor" someone without them thinking it's an attack on them because of their views, not the way they post.

So while I'm supportive of mentoring in the roleplay forums because I've seen the good work it's done, I'm completely opposed to it being introduced in NSG. The amount of words moderators have spent harping on things like being civil and being polite is enough to match Gone With the Wind, it's continually fallen on deaf ears.

Conclusion. NSG is NSG. Love it or leave it.

I disagree. I've seen the mods apologize because they were wrong. In fact, they do it more than you realize.

Mentors help people realize that what they're doing is wrong, and can coach them and set them on the right path. Moderators DO scream and shout and let it all out on those who don't listen, and those who don't listen get Da Boot.

[Vitaphone Racing]

I'm a lot more pessimistic about this.

The reason certain posters in NSG are regarded as bad debaters is not because they don't know what they're doing, which is what the mentors are supposed to help out with in the roleplay forums. It's because they have either:
a) bad views which creates a large rift between them and the forums or
b) a determination to win that's so strong, they'll say anything, literally anything, if it means avoiding saying "sorry, I'm actually wrong".

I don't see how you can "mentor" people to fix this considering you can't really mentor someone out of their views, that has to be done in debate, and there's well and truly no getting through to the people in category b because they have to win.

I also cannot see how you could "mentor" someone without them thinking it's an attack on them because of their views, not the way they post.

So while I'm supportive of mentoring in the roleplay forums because I've seen the good work it's done, I'm completely opposed to it being introduced in NSG. The amount of words moderators have spent harping on things like being civil and being polite is enough to match Gone With the Wind, it's continually fallen on deaf ears.

Conclusion. NSG is NSG. Love it or leave it.

I disagree. I've seen the mods apologize because they were wrong. In fact, they do it more than you realize.

Either this is irrelevant, or you've severely misinterpreted what I've said.

Mentors help people realize that what they're doing is wrong, and can coach them and set them on the right path. Moderators DO scream and shout and let it all out on those who don't listen, and those who don't listen get Da Boot.

So are you going to respond to my points of why mentors won't be able to help people realize what they're doing is wrong in a GE&T sense or do you just want to scream "fuck the mods!"

Seriously, if you're doing to disagree with me, at least, you know, disagree with me and not sort of say "you're wrong, here's some stuff that makes no sense".

[Imperializt Russia]

The user community can nominate people. Read more at viewtopic.php?p=2190782#p2190782

Is there a single chance that any nominations will even be considered?

Didn't Blaat, Farn and Trans become mods that way?

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

I disagree. I've seen the mods apologize because they were wrong. In fact, they do it more than you realize.

Either this is irrelevant, or you've severely misinterpreted what I've said.

Mentors help people realize that what they're doing is wrong, and can coach them and set them on the right path. Moderators DO scream and shout and let it all out on those who don't listen, and those who don't listen get Da Boot.

So are you going to respond to my points of why mentors won't be able to help people realize what they're doing is wrong in a GE&T sense or do you just want to scream "fuck the mods!"

Seriously, if you're doing to disagree with me, at least, you know, disagree with me and not sort of say "you're wrong, here's some stuff that makes no sense".

I'd appreciate if you didn't take on an aggressive tone, please.

First of all, you specifically said that mods don't apologize. I said "Yes, they have in the past."

Then you said what's the point of mentoring? I said "Hey, mentoring people helps people get on the right track." If you do something wrong, and the Mods point out why it was wrong, and then give an example of what COULD'VE been done, then it's alright. The guy knows why it's wrong, and what he could've done. If he does it again, then... It's his problem.

I did not say "fuck the mods", I did not just spew crap out, and I am rather amazed at how quickly it escalated.

[The Blaatschapen]

Knock it off, both of you.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I'm more concerned about a situation wherein a group of NSG Mentors could be interpreted as 'you must discuss in this manner' rather than simply helpful folks who can pitch in when it gets sticky, but hasn't reached the point of needing moderation.

Because quite frankly, there is nothing stopping that from happening now. We've encouraged it. Some players have even been good to attempt steering things in a more positive direction. However, there is no one 'right way' to discuss, all argument to the contrary, aside from attempting to do so with some civility. Some of the most argumentative sorts on the forum have developed tendencies that are not, in fact, fantastic examples of How To, in spite of attitudes that argue otherwise. Encouraging the perception of an 'elite' group past what has already developed over time, is not in the best interest of the forum, I think.

RP is somewhat of a different matter, and always has been. And I've seen the RP Mentors do a fantastic job in pointing newer or inexperienced players in the right direction, and offering some good constructive criticism - though I have also, early on, seen some rather poor examples of meddling. I think the mentors, and the system, have improved with time and experience. In fact I'd say that a good part of the reason we very seldom see issues in P2TM is due to mentor influence and activity, as well as a spirit of cooperation and creation the players involved there have developed.

That isn't the case with NSG. And it isn't really the point - given that debate is, by nature, confrontational. I'd be very hesitant to get on board with a mentor program for that.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Knock it off, both of you.

Alright. Thanks, Blaat. I did go a bit too far.

[Esternial]

I'm more concerned about a situation wherein a group of NSG Mentors could be interpreted as 'you must discuss in this manner' rather than simply helpful folks who can pitch in when it gets sticky, but hasn't reached the point of needing moderation.

Because quite frankly, there is nothing stopping that from happening now. We've encouraged it. Some players have even been good to attempt steering things in a more positive direction. However, there is no one 'right way' to discuss, all argument to the contrary, aside from attempting to do so with some civility. Some of the most argumentative sorts on the forum have developed tendencies that are not, in fact, fantastic examples of How To, in spite of attitudes that argue otherwise. Encouraging the perception of an 'elite' group past what has already developed over time, is not in the best interest of the forum, I think.

RP is somewhat of a different matter, and always has been. And I've seen the RP Mentors do a fantastic job in pointing newer or inexperienced players in the right direction, and offering some good constructive criticism - though I have also, early on, seen some rather poor examples of meddling. I think the mentors, and the system, have improved with time and experience. In fact I'd say that a good part of the reason we very seldom see issues in P2TM is due to mentor influence and activity, as well as a spirit of cooperation and creation the players involved there have developed.

That isn't the case with NSG. And it isn't really the point - given that debate is, by nature, confrontational. I'd be very hesitant to get on board with a mentor program for that.

The way I see it, Mentors are more like "if you need help, you can contact these people", since regular RP'ers can always offer help themselves, and in the Traveller's Café in P2TM that happens quite often. The big difference is that Mentors are obliged to help, whereas regular players can just ignore cries for help.

I'm quite proud to see what it has become. When I first made the thread it was hardly as frequently used as it is now, and it kinda takes the pressure away from the Mentors.

For debating, mentors doesn't seem like a logical option. People just need to behave and tolerate those that aren't as adept at conveying their opinions.

[Euroslavia]

Is there a single chance that any nominations will even be considered?

Didn't Blaat, Farn and Trans become mods that way?

And myself (like 200 years ago).

[Esternial]

Didn't Blaat, Farn and Trans become mods that way?

And myself (like 200 years ago).

It appears the years have been very kind to you. Almost disturbingly so.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

I'm more concerned about a situation wherein a group of NSG Mentors could be interpreted as 'you must discuss in this manner' rather than simply helpful folks who can pitch in when it gets sticky, but hasn't reached the point of needing moderation.

Because quite frankly, there is nothing stopping that from happening now. We've encouraged it. Some players have even been good to attempt steering things in a more positive direction. However, there is no one 'right way' to discuss, all argument to the contrary, aside from attempting to do so with some civility. Some of the most argumentative sorts on the forum have developed tendencies that are not, in fact, fantastic examples of How To, in spite of attitudes that argue otherwise. Encouraging the perception of an 'elite' group past what has already developed over time, is not in the best interest of the forum, I think.

RP is somewhat of a different matter, and always has been. And I've seen the RP Mentors do a fantastic job in pointing newer or inexperienced players in the right direction, and offering some good constructive criticism - though I have also, early on, seen some rather poor examples of meddling. I think the mentors, and the system, have improved with time and experience. In fact I'd say that a good part of the reason we very seldom see issues in P2TM is due to mentor influence and activity, as well as a spirit of cooperation and creation the players involved there have developed.

That isn't the case with NSG. And it isn't really the point - given that debate is, by nature, confrontational. I'd be very hesitant to get on board with a mentor program for that.

The way I see it, Mentors are more like "if you need help, you can contact these people", since regular RP'ers can always offer help themselves, and in the Traveller's Café in P2TM that happens quite often. The big difference is that Mentors are obliged to help, whereas regular players can just ignore cries for help.

I'm quite proud to see what it has become. When I first made the thread it was hardly as frequently used as it is now, and it kinda takes the pressure away from the Mentors.

For debating, mentors doesn't seem like a logical option. People just need to behave and tolerate those that aren't as adept at conveying their opinions.

Debating mentors? That sounds like a ticking flame bomb. Although, it isn't a bad idea. The only problem is that debating is just very fragile.

[Imperializt Russia]

And myself (like 200 years ago).

It appears the years have been very kind to you. Almost disturbingly so.

Euro may be a head in a box, but Euro's a pretty head in a box.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

And myself (like 200 years ago).

It appears the years have been very kind to you. Almost disturbingly so.

He has aged rather well, hasn't he? Still as adorable as he was when we started rp'ing.