Moderation staffing levels discussion

[The Archregimancy]

ModNote: Thread split off from the "Open and Public Punishments" discussion thread by The Archregimancy.

If one lacks sufficient free time to carry out forum duties, one should probably be rethinking whether or not they'd be an effective contributor to the moderation staff.

Having someone step down would only make them more understaffed and make it harder for the remaining mods to handle the volume of work that you want to have done.

If you want the moderation team to do more, you should be telling them to enlist more mods, not asking existing mods to step down when they get busy with RL.

The moderation team has stated that they are not understaffed.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Having someone step down would only make them more understaffed and make it harder for the remaining mods to handle the volume of work that you want to have done.

If you want the moderation team to do more, you should be telling them to enlist more mods, not asking existing mods to step down when they get busy with RL.

The moderation team has stated that they are not understaffed.

They were presumably basing that on their current workload, without implementing any new systems that make their work more time-consuming.

And in any case, you're missing the point. If you have a volunteer who only has time to help out a little, they are still helping. Nothing is accomplished by having them step down.

[Bezombia]

The moderation team has stated that they are not understaffed.

They were presumably basing that on their current workload, without implementing any new systems that make their work more time-consuming.

Forty five seconds of work is not time consuming.

[Nazi Flower Power]

They were presumably basing that on their current workload, without implementing any new systems that make their work more time-consuming.

Forty five seconds of work is not time consuming.

That's why there are no data entry jobs cos it doesn't take any time to type stuff manually.

[Ethel mermania]

Having someone step down would only make them more understaffed and make it harder for the remaining mods to handle the volume of work that you want to have done.

If you want the moderation team to do more, you should be telling them to enlist more mods, not asking existing mods to step down when they get busy with RL.

The moderation team has stated that they are not understaffed.

the user community disagees

[Bezombia]

The moderation team has stated that they are not understaffed.

the user community disagees

The moderators know what the moderators do.

[The Blaatschapen]

The moderation team has stated that they are not understaffed.

the user community disagees

The user community can nominate people. Read more at viewtopic.php?p=2190782#p2190782

[Bezombia]

the user community disagees

The user community can nominate people. Read more at viewtopic.php?p=2190782#p2190782

Is there a single chance that any nominations will even be considered?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

The user community can nominate people. Read more at viewtopic.php?p=2190782#p2190782

Is there a single chance that any nominations will even be considered?

Moderators don't just coalesce like proto-stars. Well, except for Melkor. He did. But that's a story for another day.

[Euroslavia]

The user community can nominate people. Read more at viewtopic.php?p=2190782#p2190782

Is there a single chance that any nominations will even be considered?

That's exactly how I became a moderator, actually.

[The Blaatschapen]

The user community can nominate people. Read more at viewtopic.php?p=2190782#p2190782

Is there a single chance that any nominations will even be considered?

Why would I suggest it otherwise?

[Bezombia]

Would I be correct in assuming that banned players cannot be nominated?

[Scolopendra]

Would I be correct in assuming that banned players cannot be nominated?

It'd be kind of silly, yes.

[The Blaatschapen]

Would I be correct in assuming that banned players cannot be nominated?

If you mean people that are DOS, yes.

If you mean people that are currently temporarily banned from the forums. Eh, that might depend. Though having a ban against you in a recent time is not a good sign, it is not an automatic exclusion per se. Though having a whole rap sheet of stuff is not anywhere near good, obviously (unless you write it down as "this person has lots of experiences with the rules and mods" )

[Bezombia]

Would I be correct in assuming that banned players cannot be nominated?

If you mean people that are DOS, yes.

If you mean people that are currently temporarily banned from the forums. Eh, that might depend. Though having a ban against you in a recent time is not a good sign, it is not an automatic exclusion per se. Though having a whole rap sheet of stuff is not anywhere near good, obviously (unless you write it down as "this person has lots of experiences with the rules and mods" )

What about people that are not technically DOS, but are simply unable to post on the forums or send any telegrams with any of their alts?

[Vistulange]

Is there a single chance that any nominations will even be considered?

Why would I suggest it otherwise?

Well, he might suspect that the nomination thing is just there for show.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

If you mean people that are DOS, yes.

If you mean people that are currently temporarily banned from the forums. Eh, that might depend. Though having a ban against you in a recent time is not a good sign, it is not an automatic exclusion per se. Though having a whole rap sheet of stuff is not anywhere near good, obviously (unless you write it down as "this person has lots of experiences with the rules and mods" )

What about people that are not technically DOS, but are simply unable to post on the forums or send any telegrams with any of their alts?

Is there a point to the niggling?

If you have someone to recommend, do so. They all get looked at and reviewed. There is already a thread on this, and it is not the topic of this discussion. Thank you.

[Ethel mermania]

the user community disagees

The user community can nominate people. Read more at viewtopic.php?p=2190782#p2190782

but its up to moderation to determine when a new moderator is needed, the user community doesn't tell moderation when to do it. it is always better to be proactvive than reactive in herding a group.

[Euroslavia]

The user community can nominate people. Read more at viewtopic.php?p=2190782#p2190782

but its up to moderation to determine when a new moderator is needed, the user community doesn't tell moderation when to do it. it is always better to be proactvive than reactive in herding a group.

If I may ask a few questions for everyone:

1) What areas (II, General, PoTM, Gameplay, etc.) of the forum do you believe are underrepresented?
2) What areas (II, General, PoTM, Gameplay, etc.) of the forum do you believe are accurately represented?
3) What would adding more moderators, at this current point, help us accomplish in terms of adjustments to our adapting policy with the up and coming discussion threads?
4) How do you feel about the Moderation forum? A bit of a before and after with the forum changes.
5) What would you say is our greatest strength? Greatest weakness?
6) How do you feel about the most recent adaptation of The One-Stop Rules Shop?
7) What is your favorite pizza topping?

[Esternial]

What do you mean with areas? Certain subforums, or aspects?

[Euroslavia]

What do you mean with areas? Certain subforums, or aspects?

Each specific subforum. Sorry, I'll edit that.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

but its up to moderation to determine when a new moderator is needed, the user community doesn't tell moderation when to do it. it is always better to be proactvive than reactive in herding a group.

If I may ask a few questions for everyone:

1) What areas of the forum do you believe are underrepresented?
2) What areas of the forum do you believe are accurately represented?
3) What would adding more moderators, at this current point, help us accomplish in terms of adjustments to our adapting policy with the up and coming discussion threads?
4) How do you feel about the Moderation forum? A bit of a before and after with the forum changes.
5) What would you say is our greatest strength? Greatest weakness?
6) How do you feel about the most recent adaptation of The One-Stop Rules Shop?
7) What is your favorite pizza topping?

If I may:

1) Well, that would be Arts and Fiction, and of course, GE
2) II, P2TM, General, F7
3) Not really much, but it would bring about faster moderation. It would, however, bring about the dreaded Clash of the Mods, because they'd be stumbling over each other.
4) Its a good forum that brings the problem to the attention of the mods rather quickly. And before, it was just reports. Now, we can actively discuss certain things in the moderation forum. To a degree, of course. This also brings problems to the attention of mods rather quickly, though, it might be confused with other debates.
5) The ability to act with confidence, and the ability to agree with one another. Your weakness? Not on all the time, and honestly, blunt. (not a bad thing, just comes across as rude. I know its stressful.)
6) Pretty solid, but there's always room for improvement.
7) Pepperoni.

[Bezombia]

but its up to moderation to determine when a new moderator is needed, the user community doesn't tell moderation when to do it. it is always better to be proactvive than reactive in herding a group.

If I may ask a few questions for everyone:

1) What areas of the forum do you believe are underrepresented?
2) What areas of the forum do you believe are accurately represented?
3) What would adding more moderators, at this current point, help us accomplish in terms of adjustments to our adapting policy with the up and coming discussion threads?
4) How do you feel about the Moderation forum? A bit of a before and after with the forum changes.
5) What would you say is our greatest strength? Greatest weakness?
6) How do you feel about the most recent adaptation of The One-Stop Rules Shop?
7) What is your favorite pizza topping?

1: Does "late nights EST" count as an area of the forum?
2: P2TM's doing pretty damn good.
3: Above all else, getting someone who's part of the playerbase into the other side, so it isn't "the old and exclusive moderators separated from the rifted playerbase". This isn't as much of a problem now as it was this time last year, but it's still apparently.
4: I feel like this was overall a positive change, but I doubt it will last.
5: The moderation staff is strong when it needs to be. Problem is, they're also strong when they don't need to be.
Other than that, greatest weakness is that nobody seems to look at things from the players' point(s) of view.
6: Logical rules were removed and illogical rules were retained. I don't like it; it was better before.
7: Stinky tofu.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

If I may ask a few questions for everyone:

1) What areas of the forum do you believe are underrepresented?
2) What areas of the forum do you believe are accurately represented?
3) What would adding more moderators, at this current point, help us accomplish in terms of adjustments to our adapting policy with the up and coming discussion threads?
4) How do you feel about the Moderation forum? A bit of a before and after with the forum changes.
5) What would you say is our greatest strength? Greatest weakness?
6) How do you feel about the most recent adaptation of The One-Stop Rules Shop?
7) What is your favorite pizza topping?

1: Does "late nights EST" count as an area of the forum?
2: P2TM's doing pretty damn good.
3: Above all else, getting someone who's part of the playerbase into the other side, so it isn't "the old and exclusive moderators separated from the rifted playerbase". This isn't as much of a problem now as it was this time last year, but it's still apparently.
4: I feel like this was overall a positive change, but I doubt it will last.
5: The moderation staff is strong when it needs to be. Problem is, they're also strong when they don't need to be.
Other than that, greatest weakness is that nobody seems to look at things from the players' point(s) of view.
6: Logical rules were removed and illogical rules were retained. I don't like it; it was better before.
7: Stinky tofu.

Hey, don't know if it's off topic, but on Bez's point number 5:

If mods are having trouble seeing from the players point of view, it would be logical to have set player representatives to sort of... talk to the mods about what precisely Player A is doing. And like he said in number 3: Bringing in a new moderator, perhaps someone relatively young, would change things up a bit. Add a little spice.
Then again, Mods were players at one point, too....

[Bezombia]

1: Does "late nights EST" count as an area of the forum?
2: P2TM's doing pretty damn good.
3: Above all else, getting someone who's part of the playerbase into the other side, so it isn't "the old and exclusive moderators separated from the rifted playerbase". This isn't as much of a problem now as it was this time last year, but it's still apparently.
4: I feel like this was overall a positive change, but I doubt it will last.
5: The moderation staff is strong when it needs to be. Problem is, they're also strong when they don't need to be.
Other than that, greatest weakness is that nobody seems to look at things from the players' point(s) of view.
6: Logical rules were removed and illogical rules were retained. I don't like it; it was better before.
7: Stinky tofu.

Hey, don't know if it's off topic, but on Bez's point number 5:

If mods are having trouble seeing from the players point of view, it would be logical to have set player representatives to sort of... talk to the mods about what precisely Player A is doing.
Then again, Mods were players at one point, too....

True, but when "one point" is almost ten years go (for some, OVER ten years ago), there's a distance there that's not only noticeable, but unavoidably so.