Site policy on "malicious" content

[The Grim Reaper]

roleplaying is now dead on NS. especially considering any RP you do could potentially get you deleted.

What exactly gives you the right to speak about the state of roleplaying?

Talk to one of the roleplaying regions, who are about writing stories and roleplaying, instead of gameplaying regions like TGGR, if you want to figure out how this affects roleplaying.

And yes, there have been a few scattered deletions and bans of roleplayers for roleplaying - OUTSIDE THE ROLEPLAYING FORUMS, and for years now.

There is no established roleplayer who will tell you to post over-the-line content on RMBs or WFEs and try to protect themselves by saying they were just roleplaying. They will mark it as IC, or OOC, because these are roleplaying conventions, instead of gameplay.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Hint- if you can't find anything better to do as an RPer than post the kind of content that would get you banned, you are a lousy roleplayer.

[Cormac Stark]

And again, I repeat that the mods are being too lenient by not deleting her and probably by not deleting The Greater German Reich altogether. The name of the region itself is an offensive reference to Hitler's goal of expanding the Third Reich into "Greater Germany," which was basically all of Europe during World War II and which is how Leather-clad Germany has repeatedly referred to the region -- as "Greater Germany."

I've been back through GGR's RMB posts for the past several hours. Some of the things you'll find there are the most disgusting, offensive and hateful things I have ever read, and they were most definitely not posted in an RP context. I don't think anyone, including the mods, should feel any sympathy for your region and if they do they should go through the RMB for a while and see if they still do. Leather-clad Germany can reverse the invasion and all of its effects when she logs in and she should be left to do so. That is far too lenient as it is when in all reality [violet] should have ordered her DOS and The Greater German Reich completely deleted.

[National Sozialistische]

"NationStates Moderators

50 minutes ago

Yes it does. [Violet] noted that when people see the Third Reich, they think the Holocaust, nothing else. The same with the term Aryan. We simply are not going to tolerate it anymore."


this is from our GGR RMB

so this is what you call not targeting us specifically?

and cormac are you a mod? who are you to decide whats too lenient?
and people post things on the RMB all the time. anyone can create a nation just to come in there pretending to be a "sympathizer" and post hateful messages and get us in trouble. LCG deletes these as much as she possibly can and i give out telegram warnings all the time.
we cannot control everything someone says.

[Lopehi]

so youre saying our region is to be associated with pedophilia? are you out of your d**n mind?
and youre sick of me drawing parallel to communism/socialism's MASSIVE atrocities?

sure your happy to see our region wrecked being a communist/antifa/socialist yourself.

i know you and anyone in your region would be horrified if you came online just to find out your nations were deleted and region destroyed by a over zelous mod.

and cormac of course you feel that way its not YOUR region destroyed,
you have no idea what we have done or didnt do and NERVUN already said it was an accident so your "judgement" is way off base.

when that happens THEN tell me you feel the same way.

but of course this isnt the case. and from what i can tell only ONE communist nation was DEAT so far in this game.

from what i can already tell there's ALOT of our allies and nations gone and our regions satellites and members are all getting kickbanned and trolled by the opposition. and all that can be said is "sorry"

i never got a reply on my aformentioned post.

roleplaying is now dead on NS. especially considering any RP you do could potentially get you deleted.

If roleplaying is dead on NS, then leave, and take the GGR with you, because here's some breaking news, NOBODY likes Nazis. And I too believe the mods were lenient with the reinstating of LCG. LCG should have stayed deleted and the GGR and all it's members AND its former members (banjected because of the raid) should be deleted.

[National Sozialistische]

really? nobody likes nazis? wow what a newsflash. well EVERYONE hates communists too. big deal. it shouldnt hurt our RP community like this.

and coming from someone whos anti-fascist(barf) and socialist your ideas are hardly new.

your trying to troll us into a rage in this already stressful situation and its not going to work

nice try.

[Lopehi]

"NationStates Moderators

50 minutes ago

Yes it does. [Violet] noted that when people see the Third Reich, they think the Holocaust, nothing else. The same with the term Aryan. We simply are not going to tolerate it anymore."
this is from our GGR RMB (snip)

Now that is a good decision. The NS Mods should be commended (not an SC Resolution) for this decision. Nazism must not be tolerated. While DOS is a little extreme, LCG, National Sozialistische, the GGR, and its current and former members should be deleted. In fact, National Sozialistische just came back with a post-DEAT nation that is the same as the deleted nation, so NZ should be deleted and the player should be a DOS player.

really? nobody likes nazis? wow what a newsflash. well EVERYONE hates communists too. big deal. it shouldnt hurt our RP community like this.

And while I hate communism, everyone doesn't. And communism wasn't responsible for mass murders like Nazism was, so take your message of hate elsewhere.

[Islenzka Folk]

In fact, National Sozialistische just came back with a post-DEAT nation that is the same as the deleted nation, so NZ should be deleted and the player should be a DOS player.

He was already deleted at least once before for extensive rules violations before this more aggressive approach to malicious content was enacted, so yes, I have no idea why he is still roaming around NationStates. It's common sense, really: Except in (limited) RP contexts, the rest of the players of NationStates should not have to tolerate the promotion of an ideology that led to genocide against 6 million Jews and the murder of countless others. This malicious content policy is a good step in that direction. Please don't go wobbly.

- Cormac Stark, accidentally posted from a puppet.

[Lopehi]

These Nazis have gone and created a new GGR- seriously delete this region, its nations, the GGR, its nations, LCG, and make NZ DOS.

[The Doofishatropolis of Doofishistan]

I'll have to see how this is enforced before deciding whether or not I like it. But it seems reasonable.

Ditto. Is there some process a nation could undergo to prove that it is not actually promoting the Nazis? To be fair, there are all kinds of beliefs I deem extremely authoritarian that aren't "mianstream" hate speech like Nazi Germany. For example, on threads titled things like "what does your nation's government think about homosexuality?" you'll often find that roleplaying nations, especially those under the category of "Corporate Police State" or "Psychotic Dictatorship" will claim that homosexuals are shot by firing squad or sent to concentration camps. While I may initially find this morbid, I can tell almost immediately by discussing with these nations that they don't actually believe such things in real life and aren't endorsing these horrendous practices, and if they do, I merely stop talking to them. On a roleplay website based mainly on politics, history and international relations, you kind of have to be a desensitized person sometimes.

[National Sozialistische]

to Lopehi/ COMMUNISM was responsible and still is responsible for 100 million deaths! you ARE a socialist/communist! you dont hate it because you are one! look at your region tags!

to cormac. bull, i wasnt deleted for ANY hateful messages at all. i simply had a german officer with NO swastikas and got DEAT for that. actually know what youre talking about before you type up that drivel you know nothing about.

geeze troll much?

[Lopehi]

to Lopehi/ COMMUNISM was responsible and still is responsible for 100 million deaths! you ARE a socialist/communist! you dont hate it because you are one! look at your region tags!

to cormac. bull, i wasnt deleted for ANY hateful messages at all. i simply had a german officer with NO swastikas and got DEAT for that. actually know what youre talking about before you type up that drivel you know nothing about.

geeze troll much?

My nation is the complete opposite of my political beliefs.

[Jamie Anumia]

These Nazis have gone and created a new GGR- seriously delete this region, its nations, the GGR, its nations, LCG, and make NZ DOS.

You should probably report it by GHR if you think its actionable, rather than posting it here.

[National Sozialistische]

Lopehi/ really? but are you being DEAT for it?

didnt think so.

[Sea Dolphin Lovers]

The NationStates world owes you a big hug.

[Lopehi]

Lopehi/ really? but are you being DEAT for it?

didnt think so.

Check my sig. And even my RP nation doesn't advocate communism, socialism and communism are different. And use the quote function.

[Lopehi]

The NationStates world owes you a big hug.

And [violet] , you owe the NationStates community a DEATocaust of Nazi nations and regions.

[Tsaraine]

I'll note here that despite our current crackdown, it is still permissible, and possible, to create and/or roleplay a Nazi nation. You want a militarily and economically strong state, promoting the special virtues and character of its people and its culture? Fine. You can have that. But most of what we see is stuff going on about how groups not of your ideology/economic system/religion/culture/ethnicity are evil and vile, which is trolling at best.

The problem here is that when your average man-on-the-street thinks of Nazis, the Holocaust is not far away; sure, Nazi Germany had accomplishments beyond that, but the Holocaust is the elephant in the room, and it looms - to the extent that if you seem to be adulating Nazi Germany or its Führer, your average player is going to go from there to 'these people are adulating the Holocaust'. And that's something we can't approve of.

The obvious response to this is 'OMG BUT WUT ABUT TEH COMMIEZ?!"; but when your average man-on-the-street thinks of Communism, he thinks of furry hats, bread lines, Marx and Stalin, not the Katyn massacre or the Holodomor. It is still permissible, and possible, to create and/or roleplay a Communist nation which does not adulate the starvation and massacre of its citizens; and since your average man-on-the-street doesn't have those things immediately spring to mind, it's easier to do! It may be unfair that many of the crimes of the Soviets were shuffled under the rug by the Allies, or tucked away behind the Iron Curtain, but them's the breaks. You want a state of enforced equality and ruthless organization, of industry, of the promise that history shall see the inevitable triumph of the Proletariat over the bourgeois? Fine. You can have that. And we don't often see Communist players extolling the virtues of de-Kulakization, or the Great Leap Forward, or the Cultural Revolution (and I've yet to see anyone extolling the virtues of Pol Pot, thank goodness).

That's the difference. I'll admit that the rules against malicious content can be difficult to apply with the perfect evenness and equality for all I would prefer, and in some cases are more subjective than I would prefer. But they're the rules we have to work with.

~ Tsar the Mod has the love of Humanity in his heart

[Vakolic]

I'll note here that despite our current crackdown, it is still permissible, and possible, to create and/or roleplay a Nazi nation. You want a militarily and economically strong state, promoting the special virtues and character of its people and its culture? Fine. You can have that. But most of what we see is stuff going on about how groups not of your ideology/economic system/religion/culture/ethnicity are evil and vile, which is trolling at best.

The problem here is that when your average man-on-the-street thinks of Nazis, the Holocaust is not far away; sure, Nazi Germany had accomplishments beyond that, but the Holocaust is the elephant in the room, and it looms - to the extent that if you seem to be adulating Nazi Germany or its Führer, your average player is going to go from there to 'these people are adulating the Holocaust'. And that's something we can't approve of.

The obvious response to this is 'OMG BUT WUT ABUT TEH COMMIEZ?!"; but when your average man-on-the-street thinks of Communism, he thinks of furry hats, bread lines, Marx and Stalin, not the Katyn massacre or the Holodomor. It is still permissible, and possible, to create and/or roleplay a Communist nation which does not adulate the starvation and massacre of its citizens; and since your average man-on-the-street doesn't have those things immediately spring to mind, it's easier to do! It may be unfair that many of the crimes of the Soviets were shuffled under the rug by the Allies, or tucked away behind the Iron Curtain, but them's the breaks. You want a state of enforced equality and ruthless organization, of industry, of the promise that history shall see the inevitable triumph of the Proletariat over the bourgeois? Fine. You can have that. And we don't often see Communist players extolling the virtues of de-Kulakization, or the Great Leap Forward, or the Cultural Revolution (and I've yet to see anyone extolling the virtues of Pol Pot, thank goodness).

That's the difference. I'll admit that the rules against malicious content can be difficult to apply with the perfect evenness and equality for all I would prefer, and in some cases are more subjective than I would prefer. But they're the rules we have to work with.

~ Tsar the Mod has the love of Humanity in his heart

And yet again, the anti-roleplay bias of this pollecy shows through.
As far as this goes, does this mean that I can't, let's say, rp a genocidal nation which wants to kill everyone not of its ethnicity? They're around 25 % of the roleplay community.

[Lopehi]

Can this topic be debated upon at NSG?

[Vakolic]

Hint- if you can't find anything better to do as an RPer than post the kind of content that would get you banned, you are a lousy roleplayer.

So, you see yourself as the unofficial spokesperson for the entire rp community?

I've seen (and participated in) some rather good rps centred on genocides, religious biggotry, enslavement of minorities, or Ralk or Scand (basicly all 3 in
one.)
So, as this is an amazingly blurry line, with astheticly pleasing curves and sidestreets, it is impossible to see where the line from harmless slaughter and banable offense is drawn.

[Tsaraine]

And yet again, the anti-roleplay bias of this pollecy shows through.
As far as this goes, does this mean that I can't, let's say, rp a genocidal nation which wants to kill everyone not of its ethnicity? They're around 25 % of the roleplay community.

Look. We're not machine-men with machine-minds and machine-hearts. We are capable of some discernment in matters of roleplay. If you've got a clear distinction between out-of-character and in-character, you can be 99% certain you're fine.

~ Tsar the Mod is not cattle either

[Vakolic]

Can this topic be debated upon at NSG?

Failing this, can we have a message from Max Barry (not his friends) on the subject?

[The Grim Reaper]

And yet again, the anti-roleplay bias of this pollecy shows through.
As far as this goes, does this mean that I can't, let's say, rp a genocidal nation which wants to kill everyone not of its ethnicity? They're around 25 % of the roleplay community.

Look. We're not machine-men

Subtle plug?

[Jamie Anumia]

Can this topic be debated upon at NSG?

Failing this, can we have a message from Max Barry (not his friends) on the subject?

You do know [violet] is the most senior person on this site other than Max right? And it's pretty fair to assume that he (Max) has had input on this policy.