Flamebait/Griefing

[Bryn Shander]

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TRIAD Enterprises is attempting to provoke me by hiring mercenaries to defend someone I may be going to war with soon, despite having made it quite clear in another thread that I am ignored.

I can't help but to call this flamebait and griefing, nevermind a gross violation of RP protocol. Sure, I could always just go with turnabout being fair play and do the same thing to him, but I'd rather not stoop to that level if I don't have to.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

To argue another side of it, you don't have the right to deny another player the opportunity to rp just because you happen to be involved, and he chooses not to be involved with you.

Surely there are ways - as many of the rest of us have managed over the years - to rp your end of things, with those players who are willing to rp with you, without doing anything with or in response to him on your part and allow the others to continue as they like.

Yeah, it does get confusing. But that's part of what we get to deal with on open forums where no one is forced to interact with anyone else, and we're all expected to get along within reason. Sometimes it requires us to come up with creative ways of dealing with problems.

Just because someone has chosen not to rp with you while not including an entire group that happens to recognize you does not mean that person is 'greifing' or 'flamebaiting' you. They simply don't want to play with you - and that is a choice we all have in this game, whatever our reasons.

I'm sure the mods can let me know if I'm out of line there, but there you have an outside take for whatever it's worth.

[Bryn Shander]

This isn't an issue of denying someone the option to roleplay just because I'm involved. This is an issue of somebody trying to attack me from behind an ignore that they made such a point of flaunting in a previous thread.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

How is that attacking you when they're plainly saying they are not recognizing you? He's obviously trying to find a way to continue the rp without playing with you and still keeping a coherent thread going. I'm not seeing the attack.

If you're going to be upset about how he's trying to handle a difficult situation, I'd suggest you go back and look over your own rp history and ganging up on and bullying folks into or out of rp, and note the difference in approach from this, to that. No, not trying to start a fight with you here in moderation, but the facts remain - this is much less offensive than things that have been done, and gotten away with in the past.

[The Island States]

As the owner of the thread in question, I'm not entirely pleased with these kinds of shenanigans. To ignore someone and then hire mercenaries to deal with the situation isn't just avoiding someone you dislike, its inflammatory and derails in-character interaction with unnecessary bullshit. Any argument that says its to continue the RP is irrelevant because the ignore came prior to the thread starting, and it'd be self-evident if time was taken to investigate the complaint. It is real easy to jump to conclusions when one is not obligated to do anything, but hang out in moderation and offer off-hand remarks and try to hide them behind a sense of superiority and obviously false attempts at impartiality.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

It is real easy to jump to conclusions when one is not obligated to do anything, but hang out in moderation and offer off-hand remarks and try to hide them behind a sense of superiority and obviously false attempts at impartiality.

It is also apparently very easy to flame people in moderation, which is probably not a terribly bright idea. Good to know you know -so- much about what I do or don't do on the site. Perhaps you might want to take the time to educate yourself before casting aspersions in the future. Piece said previously, I'm sure the moderators are more than capable of making a judgment if necessary. As thread owner, if you had a problem with the post, you should have been the one to bring it to Moderation to begin with.

[The Island States]

I know enough to realize you are not a mod, given that fact is present in your signature and the fact I am not a complete idiot. I can assume from this point that your function here is to heckle people with moderation needs, but if thats the case, I figure Violet can ask Statler and Waldorf to fill your perceived role here. At least it would amount to far better entertainment value, and it would give those two some work.

I tend to sleep in on Friday mornings. I figured, since Bryn Shander is an adult and all that, that he could handle the particulars since he is the directly wronged party in this case... I'm just the guy running the thread. This is the point of the thread where I mention not to confuse the issue with factual information, so I'll leave it at that.

[Auman]

Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special Olympics. No matter who wins, you're both retarded.

[Shazbotdom]

Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special Olympics. No matter who wins, you're both retarded.

Not really the smartest thing to say in Moderation....

[Bryn Shander]

Nevermind that it never would have come to that if Nathicana had minded her own business and let the people who's opinion actually matters handle it.

[Saint Clair Island]

I can't help wondering whether an OOC response to an IC event is really justified -- especially the response of using mods as a weapon. If someone puts you on ignore, you just ignore them back, and point out that you simply won't recognize any actions they take that affect you. Problem solved.

[Bryn Shander]

I can't help wondering why so many people that aren't mods or an involved party are posting in this thread.

[The Emmerian Unions]

I can't help wondering why so many people that aren't mods or an involved party are posting in this thread.

Because it's not a "Mods only" thread.

[Bryn Shander]

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that I posted this thread in General and not in Moderation.

[Midlonia]

Nevermind that it never would have come to that if Nathicana had minded her own business and let the people who's opinion actually matters handle it.

It's a freeform board. Everyone's opinion matters and simultaneously doesn't matter at the same time.

Him getting some mercs in seems like carrying on a thread without having to interact with you rather than some evil conspiracy and hardly enough to deem attention from the mods, they do have better things to do than faff around with what is a fairly small thread dispute.

[The Emmerian Unions]

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that I posted this thread in General and not in Moderation.

Look, if you add a "Mods only" tag in the thread Title then only Mods and the one making the claim and the one that has the claim against them can post. If you don't have that tag in the title then ANYONE can post in that thread.

[Bryn Shander]

Nevermind that it never would have come to that if Nathicana had minded her own business and let the people who's opinion actually matters handle it.

It's a freeform board. Everyone's opinion matters and simultaneously doesn't matter at the same time.

If I wanted the opinion of an old woman that does nothing but spend all day on the internet I'd have called my mother, not post in Moderation.

[Bryn Shander]

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that I posted this thread in General and not in Moderation.

Look, if you add a "Mods only" tag in the thread Title then only Mods and the one making the claim and the one that has the claim against them can post. If you don't have that tag in the title then ANYONE can post in that thread.

I shouldn't have to do that.

[The Emmerian Unions]

Look, if you add a "Mods only" tag in the thread Title then only Mods and the one making the claim and the one that has the claim against them can post. If you don't have that tag in the title then ANYONE can post in that thread.

I shouldn't have to do that.

Then you can expect others who are not mods to post in it.

Edit: Stupid e/w switching fail

[Katganistan]

1) Players may comment on moderation forum threads if what they have to say is relevant, and if the thread has not been marked as "Mods Only." The thread has not been marked Mods Only, and the posts made have been relevant.

2)

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=13#p81 Roleplay etiquette is enforced primarily by other players, but moderators can intervene in certain cases. Note that using moderators as weapons to attack your RP enemies is much more likely to backfire on you than hurt them.

Given that RPers have been quite vocal in the past about Moderators not intervening in RPs, it should be no surprise that Moderators don't like to intervene unless absolutely necessary.

3) I personally do not see how being in an open RP, and sending forces to reinforce an alliance member, is "flamebaiting and griefing" another player. They are not directly interacting with you. They have nothing to say to you. They are speaking to and hiring forces for their alliance member, which I assume is the point of alliances. Thus, I see no reason to intervene.

Nevermind that it never would have come to that if Nathicana had minded her own business and let the people who's opinion actually matters handle it.

It's a freeform board. Everyone's opinion matters and simultaneously doesn't matter at the same time.

If I wanted the opinion of an old woman that does nothing but spend all day on the internet I'd have called my mother, not post in Moderation.

4) You wouldn't be flaming in the moderation forum, would you? Because that would be flat-out foolish. And trying to say that another player has no right to voice an opinion when in fact ones own opinion has been heard on a number of other issues would also tend to make one look foolish.

Bryn Shander, three day ban for flaming.

Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special Olympics. No matter who wins, you're both retarded.

Auman, warned for flaming.

but hang out in moderation and offer off-hand remarks and try to hide them behind a sense of superiority and obviously false attempts at impartiality.

I can assume from this point that your function here is to heckle people with moderation needs, but if thats the case, I figure Violet can ask Statler and Waldorf to fill your perceived role here. At least it would amount to far better entertainment value, and it would give those two some work.

The Island States, warned for flamebaiting.

[The Island States]

For those keeping score, lets go through the points:

1. TRIAD ignored Bryn Shander.

2. TRIAD decides to send mercenaries despite the fact Bryn Shander shouldn't even exist according to him. That smells of looking to intentionally piss someone off by sending forces via a proxy force. Good to know flamebaiting is tolerated around here.

3. If these were normal circumstances, I'd be all for making a summary ruling myself as the original thread starter as far as etiquette is concerned. However, considering the fact these are special circumstances, a moderator ruling was deemed necessary by the directly affected party. That's not too unnecessary now, is it? I figure it is a better solution than calling the moderators in when the thread gets hit by the Midas Touch that turns good RPs to shit.

[Auman]

So anyway, Triad clearly ignores Bryn Shander, but he's hiring mercenaries to fight Bryn Shander... Which is a clear breach of roleplaying protocol. It seems clear to me, someone who is not a goram mod, that this is griefing. This is just my opinion, as I am not a goram mod, and as such I will leave it up to the goram mods to enforce their own rulings... As goram mods have absolutely no power and, ultimately, their opinion is worthless and only serves to create an even worse situation by creating drama. Especially when goram mods of differing varieties know that their goram opinions will not be goram appreciated by certain people who are also not goram mods.

Goram it.

In closing, less posting by people who are not goram mods, please and thank you.

[Katganistan]

Auman, you don't get it. THE RULES APPLY TO EVERYONE, and THEY ARE NOT BREAKING RULES BY POSTING IN A THREAD NOT MARKED MODS ONLY.

I suggest you, The Island States, and Bryn Shander familiarize yourselves with the rules, PARTICULARLY the ones on how to treat other players and how the moderation forum works.

Subject closed.