New Badges/Trophies

[[violet]]

Oh dear. The update currently running has again selected "Largest Manufacturing Sector" for the World Census. How disappointing.

I'm going to make it so that the same thing can't be chosen twice in a row again.

[Mushet]

One of my puppets got top 1% for largest manufacturing sector

[Daynor]

Oh dear. The update currently running has again selected "Largest Manufacturing Sector" for the World Census. How disappointing.

I'm going to make it so that the same thing can't be chosen twice in a row again.

The update isn't over yet so it shouldn't change yet should it? Unless you can see ahead of the update finishing somehow?

[Daistallia 2104]

I like!

[Daistallia 2104]

Oh dear. The update currently running has again selected "Largest Manufacturing Sector" for the World Census. How disappointing.

I'm going to make it so that the same thing can't be chosen twice in a row again.

I'd approve.

[Kalibarr]

Edit:"5 minutes ago: Neo-Industria was ranked #1 in the world for Largest Manufacturing Sector (last census: #1).
87 minutes ago: Following new legislation in Neo-Industria, the workforce is almost entirely made up of slave labour.
87 minutes ago: Following new legislation in Neo-Industria, the right to a fair trial was recently abolished for reasons of convenience.
23 hours ago: Neo-Industria was ranked #1 in the world for Largest Manufacturing Sector."

I guess Violet is right.

[Christian Democrats]

[R]ather than make trophies for finishing at the bottom of all World Census scales, the rankings have been tweaked a little to ensure there are inverses where appropriate. For example, we added "Least Corrupt," and replaced "Highest Unemployment Rates" with "Lowest Unemployment Rates."

^ I like this.

I like the 10% trophies and believe we should keep them.

[Ballotonia]

1. The Issue Author badge doesn't have numerical differences, like for instance the Easter Egg one does.

It should. If not, it's a bug. Point me at an example.

I'm not talking about the mouseover, I'm talking about the icon itself. There are four Easter Egg icons differing in color, but only one for authoring any number of issues. Zwangzug has one issue authored, Kandarin has two, yet they both have the same blue icon. For almost all icons the blue color indicates 'two' (gray:1, blue:2, red:3, gold:4+).

Perhaps differentiate: 1, 2, 3, 4+ ? That way the same color scheme could be used. The same could be applied to the three Resolution Author categories (historical, GA, SC).

GA Resolution Author and SC Resolution Author are currently distinguished only their color, which means they can't convert easily to a scale. Additionally, we felt that authoring any Resolution or Issue is such an achievement in itself that a gray badge wasn't adequate. They'd also be difficult to scale: Quintessence of Dust has authored 11 resolutions; what number should qualify for the "top" color?

Personally I prefer the symbols already used to distinguish between GA and SC:

Doing so allows the same color distinction: 1, 2, 3, 4+.

The Easter Egg trophies seem to stop at 4. There's 6 easter eggs I know of: #077 #078, #080, #215, #223, and #256. If so, the mouseover of the fourth one should be labeled "(4+)" instead of "(4)".

The mouseover text should say how many eggs the nation has found, and not be capped at four. (The icon is the same for 4+, though.) If you've seen otherwise, it's a bug; please point it out.

I was looking at Trade a Nation. It has "has found 5 easter eggs" in its happenings, so I figured it had found 5. Now, looking at Isle Of Hags which lists having found all 6 easter eggs, I realize the Happenings are probably wrong there. See also the original bug report on that problem: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=72382 BTW, was that bug fixed earlier?

Founder badge... Really? [...] It's easy for any random region one creates

The Founder icon only displays if the nation is the founder of the region it currently resides in. You can't found a random region and carry your icon elsewhere.

Yeah, I tried that. Still, not much of an accomplishment, and IMHO not worth a Trophy. (and I'm saying while the founder nation of my home region Nederland is mine).

Trophies for the top ranking implies that the game regards it 'better' to be at the top vs the bottom.

I don't think this is the case. For one thing, many rankings are the inverse of each other, so which are we saying is better? The game is saying that ranking highly is notable, not good.

what about those who for ideological reasons feel that the opposite is best?

There should be inverse World Census rankings where appropriate, yes, and we added some as part of this change. I think you'll find as we process a few World Censuses that nations that rank at the bottom of any scale will have no trouble picking up trophies, even if there's no inverse. There's no inverse for "Largest Mining Industry," for example, but bottom-ranked nations on that scale almost always rank well on environment-related scales.

Hard to respond to that without having a full list of census categories. My list has 55 (some of which may be obsolete by now), you said there's 66 in total. I'm left simply hoping there's something like a "Most Pacifist" to balance against all those nations who are consistently competing for Largest Defense Forces.

Ballotonia

[[violet]]

I was looking at Trade a Nation. It has "has found 5 easter eggs" in its happenings, so I figured it had found 5. Now, looking at Isle Of Hags which lists having found all 6 easter eggs, I realize the Happenings are probably wrong there. See also the original bug report on that problem: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=72382 BTW, was that bug fixed earlier?

Doesn't look like it. The icons just draw on data that's in the nation, so if that's wrong, the icon will be wrong too.

[[violet]]

Mentioning them in the 'National Happenings' not so fine, in my opinion [...] these are likely to swamp all of the other 'happenings' in the list

Yes, this is a tricky one. National Happenings look very different depending on how you play: in some nations, the last entry is never older than 48 hours, while in others, it's weeks or months. In a very active nation, it doesn't matter, but I agree it's not very good in a low-activity nation to constantly churn out NH ranking messages.

Here's what we're going to try. From now on, National Happenings messages will not be generated if a nation's World Census ranking bracket doesn't change from last time. That is, if you were Top 10% for Most Liberal last time and are again, there will be no NH message.

Since trophies are brand new, some nations will continue to get NH messages every day for a while. But once this settles down, it should be reasonably uncommon for a nation to change bracket, so the messages won't be as spammy.

[New South Hell]

Oh dear. The update currently running has again selected "Largest Manufacturing Sector" for the World Census. How disappointing.

I'm going to make it so that the same thing can't be chosen twice in a row again.

Isn't it annoying when random numbers insist on being random?

[[violet]]

Ha! It was a suspicious one, because I'd just rewritten that code. Really does seem to have simply been a 66-to-1 shot, though.

[Kalibarr]

Is there a way to keep getting a badges out of the Dossier reports?

mine just got flooded...

[[violet]]

No, there isn't. Sorry about that. I think we may just have to put up with NH/Reports being a bit spammy for a few weeks. Once we've cycled through most of the World Census categories, the messages will be far less common.

[Itinerate Tree Dweller]

Is it permissible for the badge icons to be uploaded to NSwiki so people can put their badges on their wiki pages?

[Korda Vyne]

The trophies are really great. I was thinking the same system could be applied to regions as well (mainly just the world census trophies).

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

...GREAT IDEA! Excellent contribution to the game. Looks real neat as well!, but;

I don't understand why all the trophies (except the Founder and the Security Council Resolution Author) that doesn't have different "levels" (level 1 = grey, level 2 = blue etc.) are just automatically blue. The trophies of which I am referring to, are trophies such as the General Assembly Resolution Author, the Historical Resolution Author (what's that btw?), the Issues Author and the Moderator. For me, the color blue represents level 2, and for trophies without levels, it just seems weird that they're blue. I'd personally like to change the color from blue, to either grey or golden. That's more kinda, I don't know, "neutral". I would prefer golden as it looks better and it's the same color as the Founder trophy. The Security Council Resolution Author should be changed from bronze to golden as well. And I'm perfectly aware of the reason that the WA Resolution Author and the SC Resolution Author trophies have to be different colors at the moment, but I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to make the two trophies distinct from each other in some way, other than color.

And if I didn't exactly make it clear why I would change those blue (and one bronze) trophies to golden, it's because it makes no sense that they should be blue (level 2), and it also looks a bit messy – especially with the bronze SC author in the middle of it all. It would be easier to overview and look better if they were all golden. The golden ones are special, whether it's a rank 4 of the ones with levels or one of those without levels. Making them blue makes them kind of, un-special - and hard to distinguish from the "normal ones".

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

Just to clear things up:

Found this post from Violet, explaining which trophies I'm talking about:

"there are two types of trophies: World Census ones, where you get ranked, and specials, where you've just done something."

- The "specials" are the ones I think should be golden instead of blue and bronze.

[Mousebumples]

Is it permissible for the badge icons to be uploaded to NSwiki so people can put their badges on their wiki pages?

(1) Upload the images to a free photo hosting site, like Photobucket, Imageshack, or ... whatever.
(2) Link that image on NSwiki.
(3) Admire your handiwork.

[The Hyrhu-Dyii]

Could there at least be a way to see which easter eggs you got?

[The Blaatschapen]

Is it permissible for the badge icons to be uploaded to NSwiki so people can put their badges on their wiki pages?

(1) Upload the images to a free photo hosting site, like Photobucket, Imageshack, or ... whatever.
(2) Link that image on NSwiki.
(3) Admire your handiwork.

I guess he was asking if it is okay to copy and upload them in the first place. Things like copyright might apply?

[Josephland]

I didn't see this mentioned, but figured it should be...

I've gotten the badge for #1 in my region, but I have puppets in other regions that have been and are #1 currently that have received the Top 5% of their region badge instead.

Small issues aside, this is a pretty fun idea and smoothly implemented.

[The Blaatschapen]

I didn't see this mentioned, but figured it should be...

I've gotten the badge for #1 in my region, but I have puppets in other regions that have been and are #1 currently that have received the Top 5% of their region badge instead.

Small issues aside, this is a pretty fun idea and smoothly implemented.

Are those puppets in regions with 100 nations or more?

[Kapellen]

I like the idea of these new trophies. That's the way to make people happy: badges and medallions to show off!
Talking about the possibility of an Inverse World Census for some categories, I sincerely hope that a Census about the LEAST avoided is coming up sooner or later...

[Bears Armed]

the Historical Resolution Author (what's that btw?),

'U----d N-----s', before we had the WA...