by Karnilla of Nornheim » Tue May 19, 2009 2:14 am
by Bokkiwokki » Tue May 19, 2009 2:21 am
by Karnilla of Nornheim » Tue May 19, 2009 3:05 am
Bokkiwokki wrote:But why would you need to make the forums even more of a sensory overload by allowing appalling things like "flapping flags"?
by Hryvatia » Tue May 19, 2009 3:39 am
Karnilla of Nornheim wrote:Bokkiwokki wrote:But why would you need to make the forums even more of a sensory overload by allowing appalling things like "flapping flags"?
If you find the forums a “sensory overload”, then perhaps you should go to a different website. If you think that flapping flags are “appalling”, that’s your opinion, and until you are willing to spend your own time and effort to make flags for your fellow players for free, I’ll thank you to keep it to yourself! In the mean time, I suggest you learn some manners, and not insult other people’s artwork.
by Somewhereistonia » Tue May 19, 2009 4:12 am
by Erastide » Tue May 19, 2009 5:50 am
by Grays Harbor » Tue May 19, 2009 5:58 am
Bokkiwokki wrote:But why would you need to make the forums even more of a sensory overload by allowing appalling things like "flapping flags"?
by Hryvatia » Tue May 19, 2009 6:07 am
Grays Harbor wrote:Bokkiwokki wrote:But why would you need to make the forums even more of a sensory overload by allowing appalling things like "flapping flags"?
rude. very rude.
but here's me, thinking that somebody willing to do things for other folk is kinda nice, as opposed to "I DON'T LIKE IT SO IT CANNOT BE PERMITTED AND IF YOU WANT TO DO SO IT IS APPALLING!" Please remember this is a game and some folk like that type of thing.
by Erastide » Tue May 19, 2009 8:11 am
by Man or Astroman » Tue May 19, 2009 9:11 am
by Grays Harbor » Tue May 19, 2009 9:21 am
Man or Astroman wrote:My flag moves just fine...
by Vault 10 » Wed May 20, 2009 9:47 pm
by Somewhereistonia » Wed May 20, 2009 9:54 pm
Vault 10 wrote:A flag size limit increase could help not only animated flags, but also people who have spent effort drawing their own flag and want it in a less lossy format than .jpg.
However, I'm not a fan of animated flags, personally... Not a fan of animation in forums at all, really, even the animated smiles annoy me by grabbing too much attention. Animated flags are nice as a picture in a thread, but as an avatar or nation flag, far from always.
by Valipac » Thu May 21, 2009 12:22 am
Vault 10 wrote:A flag size limit increase could help not only animated flags, but also people who have spent effort drawing their own flag and want it in a less lossy format than .jpg.
However, I'm not a fan of animated flags, personally... Not a fan of animation in forums at all, really, even the animated smiles annoy me by grabbing too much attention. Animated flags are nice as a picture in a thread, but as an avatar or nation flag, far from always.
On the other hand, no need to make them even worse by keeping them blurry...
by Vault 10 » Thu May 21, 2009 1:28 am
Valipac wrote:Both this flag and a flag for my alternate nation do not follow the size guidelines recommended by NS. As far as the 10 kb limit, there really isn't any reason for your flag to be that big. The reason it's that high is that you are either using wayyyy to many colors, including far too much animation, or the flag is just flat out too detailed.
Valipac wrote:As far as forum avatars go, then perhaps this is burdensome, but as far as realistic national flags go, it's spot on. You'd be hard pressed to find a national flag larger than 2-3 kb in the format that NS asks for, much less 10+.
Valipac wrote:Once you start increasing the size limit, you begin to run into bandwidth problems and the fact that some people will probably never be satisfied with what you grant them. Like I said, mine is saved as a .png (lossless compression), is larger than the recommended size, and still manages to fit under 10 kb.
by Valipac » Thu May 21, 2009 1:44 am
Vault 10 wrote:Valipac wrote:Both this flag and a flag for my alternate nation do not follow the size guidelines recommended by NS. As far as the 10 kb limit, there really isn't any reason for your flag to be that big. The reason it's that high is that you are either using wayyyy to many colors, including far too much animation, or the flag is just flat out too detailed.
So what? Every flag must be three stripes of Red, Green and Blue? Do you find colors or detail harming the aesthetics?Valipac wrote:As far as forum avatars go, then perhaps this is burdensome, but as far as realistic national flags go, it's spot on. You'd be hard pressed to find a national flag larger than 2-3 kb in the format that NS asks for, much less 10+.
NS doesn't ask for any format. 107x71 is a very small size, appropriate only for the stock flag-placeholders. The page format fits a 400x250 flag quite nicely.Valipac wrote:Once you start increasing the size limit, you begin to run into bandwidth problems and the fact that some people will probably never be satisfied with what you grant them. Like I said, mine is saved as a .png (lossless compression), is larger than the recommended size, and still manages to fit under 10 kb.
An administrator of a site running 4TB+/month bandwith and 60,000 visits/day here, mostly on high-res game mods. Occasionally more. All on a 1U colocation server. And still we're yet to run into a problem with bandwidth. The only complaints we've had are from people accessing the forum from cell phones (we have a 100kb size limit for avatar and sig each), but they just turn the avatars and sigs off, as do I when using mobile access.
4TB is about 400,000,000 current maximum-sized flags. At 10,000 users (most of whom aren't all that active really), each would have to look at 40,000 flags a month to load that bandwidth.
Of course, since all modern browsers have cache, the maximum number of flags one can practically have to download is about 1,000 - we only have about 900 users with more than one post.
Really, it's not the 20th century.
by Vault 10 » Thu May 21, 2009 6:01 am
Valipac wrote:Talking down to me isn't going to win you any points V10,
Valipac wrote:Now. Click on the world link in the sidebar. By golly, there are 10 flags staring you in the face. Each day, those are different flags. I'm not sure as to how the mechanics of loading all those flags work, but nonetheless you aren't accounting for those in your calculations. Plus the flags the forum users see. This still doesn't account for raiders and defenders, constantly checking in on other regions, each of which has its regional top 10.
Valipac wrote:I'm not saying that each flag should be limited to one or two colors, but when you try to incorporate fancy photoshop effects such as gradients and the like, it launches your flag past the size requirements. If you stay away from space intensive things such as this, then it's quite easy to stay within the realms of 10 kb.
Valipac wrote:As a result, if you only use the game for the forums anyways, why not go ahead and scale down your super fancy flag to that size. Scaling down will drastically reduce filesize.
by Karnilla of Nornheim » Fri May 22, 2009 1:42 am
Valipac wrote:Vault 10 wrote:A flag size limit increase could help not only animated flags, but also people who have spent effort drawing their own flag and want it in a less lossy format than .jpg.
However, I'm not a fan of animated flags, personally... Not a fan of animation in forums at all, really, even the animated smiles annoy me by grabbing too much attention. Animated flags are nice as a picture in a thread, but as an avatar or nation flag, far from always.
On the other hand, no need to make them even worse by keeping them blurry...
Both this flag and a flag for my alternate nation do not follow the size guidelines recommended by NS. As far as the 10 kb limit, there really isn't any reason for your flag to be that big. The reason it's that high is that you are either using wayyyy to many colors, including far too much animation, or the flag is just flat out too detailed. As far as forum avatars go, then perhaps this is burdensome, but as far as realistic national flags go, it's spot on. You'd be hard pressed to find a national flag larger than 2-3 kb in the format that NS asks for, much less 10+.
Once you start increasing the size limit, you begin to run into bandwidth problems and the fact that some people will probably never be satisfied with what you grant them. Like I said, mine is saved as a .png (lossless compression), is larger than the recommended size, and still manages to fit under 10 kb.
by The Most Glorious Hack » Fri May 22, 2009 3:07 am
by Flibbleites » Fri May 22, 2009 7:43 am
The Most Glorious Hack wrote:Let's go back to the old 6kb limit!
by Parthenon » Sat May 23, 2009 3:57 am
The Most Glorious Hack wrote:Let's go back to the old 6kb limit!
by North Wiedna » Sun May 24, 2009 2:14 pm
Man or Astroman wrote:My flag moves just fine...
by Nobodishal » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:18 pm
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