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by Oliver the Mediocre » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:56 am
by Luna Amore » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:32 am
by Oliver the Mediocre » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:37 am
Luna Amore wrote:@Oliver
Would that apply to Lazarus and TRR too? So if you conquered Lazarus, all resurrected nations spawned in the UCR that conquered, for example.
It sounds like a unique idea to be sure.
by The Murtunian Tribes » Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:34 am
Oliver the Mediocre wrote:Okay, none of these ideas are crazy enough yet.
Intended goal is to raise activity in the feeders, aye? Intended method of achieving this is making it difficult, but not impossible, to hold a feeder for a long period of time, AND to make the feeders desirable targets for people who want to hold them?
Now for a little dark, disturbing note from the UCR world. To us, the feeders are nothing but a resource to be mined. It's harsh but it's true. Francoist thought is not really wrong on that front.. I don't think it's as malicious or conscious as Franco believed, but we put up with your governments because you've got a lot of nations, and if you decided to rise up and be scary, you probably could... except that we've got founders and you don't.
Right. So. Feeder = Stripmine. Imagine that little cartoon device where starving people view their comrades in the raft as amusing, talking food. Feeders, especially those with any sort of Francoist ideology *cough* the Pacific *cough* will try to say that this is an unfair view. I say its time the game embraced it.
My idea is this. We put the Feeders on warzone rules. No crazy additions, no crazy limited banlists, just the pure warzone rules. Then, and this is the good part folks, then we utilize a mechanic like the Embassy/Annexation mechanic to establish a specific link between the feeder region and ONE UCR. Just one. This is important, because this link is, for lack of a better word at the moment, the "shuttle."
What does it do? Every nation that would have spawned in the feeder, now spawns in the UCR instead. Or if its easier on the game, every nation spawned in the feeder is automatically transferred on creation to the UCR.
An example. Lets say Europeia conquers the Pacific. You put in the request, and three or four days later (not sure how long it takes), assuming Europeia is able to hold the Pacific for that long, the Pacific is now linked to Europeia, and until somebody changes that, every nation that would spawn in the Pacific is spawned in Europeia instead.
If you're a recipient point for new nations like that, the feeder rules on recruitment apply. Europeia would now be open to RMB recruitment, and its residents would be open to one telegram each from other regions. But we all know that most of the nations don't move, and die four weeks later.
You want a war over the feeders? Now you've got one. You like your regional government as it is, Feeder governments? Don't establish the link. New nations spawn in your feeder... just have to make sure nobody coups you and takes your resources away, and makes you recruit like any other UCR.
Is it extreme? Absolutely. That's why I like it.
by Make up your own mind » Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:57 am
Sociobiology wrote:yes because such people always want to believe they have a clue about psychology, come to think of it everyone does, must be a fluke caused by wiring us to model other peoples brains in ours.
by The Murtunian Tribes » Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:44 am
Make up your own mind wrote:What if new players spawned in random regions? Do away with feeders all together.
by Make up your own mind » Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:05 am
Sociobiology wrote:yes because such people always want to believe they have a clue about psychology, come to think of it everyone does, must be a fluke caused by wiring us to model other peoples brains in ours.
by Oliver the Mediocre » Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:34 am
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:Make up your own mind wrote:What if new players spawned in random regions? Do away with feeders all together.
This has been brought up before. One, it makes recruitment impossible (which makes Oliver's suggestion unrealistic as well, as most recruitment systems don't work outside the feeders). Two, no new nation is gonna want to start in some god forsaken backwater with one other nation. Three, some regions are isolationist or elitist or based on certain types of nations and would not want new nations to pop up in their region that might not fit in with them.
In short the answer is a deafening NO.
by Make up your own mind » Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:05 pm
Oliver the Mediocre wrote:The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
This has been brought up before. One, it makes recruitment impossible (which makes Oliver's suggestion unrealistic as well, as most recruitment systems don't work outside the feeders). Two, no new nation is gonna want to start in some god forsaken backwater with one other nation. Three, some regions are isolationist or elitist or based on certain types of nations and would not want new nations to pop up in their region that might not fit in with them.
In short the answer is a deafening NO.
Oh no, we might all have to recruit by hand, instead of using a program/system to help? Oh the horror, what evil things the game does to us.
Sociobiology wrote:yes because such people always want to believe they have a clue about psychology, come to think of it everyone does, must be a fluke caused by wiring us to model other peoples brains in ours.
by Oliver the Mediocre » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:34 pm
by Todd McCloud » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:09 pm
by Mahaj WA Seat » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:13 pm
What about 'donating' influence? Like say in TSP if Topid is indeed elected she could 'donate' her influence to Topid to give him a bit more room to play around with. Likewise, if someone finds a few dissenters in a feeder and wishes to change the regime, he or she could ask to have influence donated to him or her from the dissenting nations.
Georgism wrote:Fuck off you cunt, I'm always nice.
NERVUN wrote:Yog zap!
Cool Egg Sandwich wrote:I am the Urinater..... I'll be back.
Jedi Utopians wrote:5) Now, saying that a nation couldn't be part of OPEC would be bold. AIPEC sounds like something you'd want to get checked out by a physician for.
by Todd McCloud » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:15 pm
Mahaj WA Seat wrote:What about 'donating' influence? Like say in TSP if Topid is indeed elected she could 'donate' her influence to Topid to give him a bit more room to play around with. Likewise, if someone finds a few dissenters in a feeder and wishes to change the regime, he or she could ask to have influence donated to him or her from the dissenting nations.
Full support! But also in UCR's...
by Mahaj WA Seat » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:18 pm
Georgism wrote:Fuck off you cunt, I'm always nice.
NERVUN wrote:Yog zap!
Cool Egg Sandwich wrote:I am the Urinater..... I'll be back.
Jedi Utopians wrote:5) Now, saying that a nation couldn't be part of OPEC would be bold. AIPEC sounds like something you'd want to get checked out by a physician for.
by The Murtunian Tribes » Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:40 am
Mahaj WA Seat wrote:Todd McCloud wrote:
(Btw she = Bellz, sorry about that) I like the idea in UCR's too, actually. It would definitely change the raiding and defending game.
Actually, I don't know how much it will.
Think about it. Most of the raiders and defenders that come in are minnows. So a native might get a bunch of 'minnow' influence donated. So there wouldn't be much of a gain.
Same thing with the raiders.
So really, I don't know how much of an impact it would have.
It would have a greater impact in feeder regions in terms of coups.
by Improving Wordiness » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:44 am
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I'm a massive tool. ;)
by Make up your own mind » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:56 am
Sociobiology wrote:yes because such people always want to believe they have a clue about psychology, come to think of it everyone does, must be a fluke caused by wiring us to model other peoples brains in ours.
by The Murtunian Tribes » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:00 pm
Make up your own mind wrote:So, how would you lose influence?
by Make up your own mind » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:02 pm
Sociobiology wrote:yes because such people always want to believe they have a clue about psychology, come to think of it everyone does, must be a fluke caused by wiring us to model other peoples brains in ours.
by Sedgistan » Thu May 31, 2012 12:30 am
by Zemnaya Svoboda » Thu May 31, 2012 12:50 am
by Astarial » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:09 pm
Sedgistan wrote:Bumping this up again, as [violet] suggested last year that she'd consider trialling some changes to how influence worked in the feeders. Plus that the only reason she hadn't yet was that she hadn't been nagged enough.
by Jamie Anumia » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:18 pm
by Sedgistan » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:24 am
by Unibot III » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:42 am
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
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