World Assembly [At Vote] Notifier

[Isles de Havaco]

This is a simple request, but I do not know how hard it would be to implement. Basically, you have the awesome awesome idea of having notifiers on the sidebar. I'd like to add another. Basically, IF in world assembly & IF something at vote & IF nation has not given its position, show notifier. You can choose what the notifier is (you can choose to do anything you want on your site), but I personally believe an icon of a bill would be the best notifier to use in this.

It'd mean less page views from me, and probable a few other people, probably leading to a small net win in page loads.

[Unibot]

This is a simple request, but I do not know how hard it would be to implement. Basically, you have the awesome awesome idea of having notifiers on the sidebar. I'd like to add another. Basically, IF in world assembly & IF something at vote & IF nation has not given its position, show notifier. You can choose what the notifier is (you can choose to do anything you want on your site), but I personally believe an icon of a bill would be the best notifier to use in this.

It'd mean less page views from me, and probable a few other people, probably leading to a small net win in page loads.

You mean like (1) or (2) beside "WORLD ASSEMBLY".. depending on if you viewed the new Security Council or General Assembly resolution? I think that's a good idea.

[[violet]]

It is a good idea! My only thought is whether it's annoying to have a "(1)" beside WORLD ASSEMBLY if, say, you're a nation that confines itself to the GA and doesn't want to vote on SC resolutions.

[Unibot]

Perhaps you could have a setting to switch out of one bureau or both.. and then (to make this a juicer improvement) have nations with those particular settings identified as "abstainers from the WA/GA/SC" below the Message Box for telegrams. That way a lobbyist has something better than the WFE to identify who doesn't want to receive WA telegrams, SC telegrams or GA telegrams. Since the split it has been harder for lobbyists like me who switch bureaus because the same people who welcome GA resolutions will send a GHR if you send them a SC telegram. For a while I used different accounts for lobbying in the bureaus and asked people to put me on their banlist if they didn't want my telegrams.

[[violet]]

You are threatening to turn this from a quick change I can do in an hour into a big one that will go into my mountainous to-do pile, never to be seen again!

[Unibot]

You are threatening to turn this from a quick change I can do in an hour into a big one that will go into my mountainous to-do pile, never to be seen again!

Then forget about my suggestion and screw the abstainers! They shouldn't be in the WA then.

My only suggestion is to instead of using a number.. use a little icon to sit beside the words, a little icon of a sword, scales and the WA icon if there resolutions for both up-to-vote. That way if someone doesn't like the SC he can ignore the sword.

I could will make a mock-up of the images if you like.

[Unibot]

[Topid]

How much more difficult would it be to add 'abstain' on votes. Pressing it would do nothing but take away the (1) in that case?

(There shouldn't be a nat'l happenings line for abstaining... That way if people do not want to acknowledge the GA or SC.)

Like 'dismiss' for issues.

[Sedgistan]

It could work like the News page, so you just have to go to the WA page to get the notification removed, rather than having to vote. A single click to get rid of a (1) next to 'World Assembly' wouldn't be too much hassle for those trying to ignore one of the councils.

[Unibotian WA Mission]

It could work like the News page, so you just have to go to the WA page to get the notification removed, rather than having to vote. A single click to get rid of a (1) next to 'World Assembly' wouldn't be too much hassle for those trying to ignore one of the councils.

I'd agree.. but... not too much hassle can turn into a political "SC vs. GA" scrap pretty quickly.

[[violet]]

Heh, I like how your solution for people who want nothing to do with the SC is to permanently display the SC symbol in their sidebar.

Does look neat, though.

It could work like the News page, so you just have to go to the WA page to get the notification removed, rather than having to vote.

Yes... not really consistent, though. This should be like the Issues sidebar notification, where it tells you how many you've got to deal with.

The Abstain idea is good. Not sure whether there's demand for it. Maybe I'll add the simplest implementation first then see where we are.

[Just Guy]

This is awesome!

Personally, what would be beneficial for me is a notification when a resolution achieves quorum. That should give Delegates time to inform their regions of upcoming resolutions.

[Dystopianus]

It sure is a great idea. Even though I'm not even in the WA!

[Caotic chaos]

how bout if you do more SC than GA you only see an SC symbol, and vice versa? and if you do both, just a WA symbol?

[Mahaj WA Seat]

how bout if you do more SC than GA you only see an SC symbol, and vice versa? and if you do both, just a WA symbol?

too much server work. not practical.

good idea, the at vote notifier!

[Unibot]

Heh, I like how your solution for people who want nothing to do with the SC is to permanently display the SC symbol in their sidebar.

Dahm, you caught that.

I kind of thought it would have be hilarious to be honest. Personally, I don't think the World Assembly should support the "GA vs. SC" backlash, or any sort of abstention from one bureau or another, most of this "I don't like that bureau" nonsense is a product of either (1) the messy formation of the SC, (2) Rule IV and Gameplayer Resistance (3) oddly enough some people like voting against because "the SC doesn't actually do anything.. so I'm gunna vote against" (4) if you can't tell the difference between a ban and an expression of opinion... it can appear as if the WA is overstepping it's bounds of compliance. All four of these opinions are only going to subsist if the admins further promote it with "abstain from this bureau" features, and furthermore all of these opinions are lacking of the decorum and responsibilities of a WA Member -- in other words, if you're in the World Assembly, you're in the World Assembly.. not just the General Assembly or the Security Council.. but the World Assembly. If you can't stand one bureau enough to ignore it.. your nation is in the wrong institution.

[Sionis Prioratus]

It is a good idea! My only thought is whether it's annoying to have a "(1)" beside WORLD ASSEMBLY if, say, you're a nation that confines itself to the GA and doesn't want to vote on SC resolutions.

Why not instead of having (1) (or (2), if two concurrent votes), we have (G) for a General Assembly vote, a (S) for a Security Council Vote, and a (G, S) for two concurrent votes?

[[violet]]

Why not instead of having (1) (or (2), if two concurrent votes), we have (G) for a General Assembly vote, a (S) for a Security Council Vote, and a (G, S) for two concurrent votes?

That's essentially the same as Unibot's icon idea, isn't it?

[[violet]]

Maybe I'll add the simplest implementation first then see where we are.

And done!

It checks for unvoted resolutions when you login, so nations currently logged in may need to log out and back to see it.

Only visible for nations using Century (Settings -> Theme), as unfortunately it doesn't fit well on the sidebar in regular.

[Ballotonia]

Cool beans! It'll be interesting to see what this does for vote totals in the future.

Ballotonia

[Topid]

While we are on this topic... I never have 'subscribed' to anything on NS, but if I was able to subscribe to the 'All Proposals' or the 'SC Proposals' page I would. That way I'd see the email and read/approve more quickly. And if that is possible, would it be possible to make an email when a proposal makes quorum for those who subscribed to those pages (for the reasons Guy said above, I think that would really help some regions).

[Havaco]

I am quite surprised at how quickly this was debated and implemented. Excellent turn-around time [violet], and excellent thinking more about the game than I do everybody else.

[Mousebumples]

The Abstain idea is good. Not sure whether there's demand for it. Maybe I'll add the simplest implementation first then see where we are.

I'm sure there's probably another thread somewhere regarding adding an Abstain option in this Tech forum. However ... those might run afoul of the "gravedig" rules, and I'm hoping this one is recent enough to not get mod-locked.

I would greatly appreciate an Abstain option in the WA - in part so that I can "turn off" the notifier after I've decided not to vote on a particular proposal. And also, in part, so that I can document for my regionmates that I have "registered an opinion," even if it is only to abstain.

I have no idea how complex of a coding task this would be to implement, but I thought I'd mention it. (I'd be happy to make a new thread for this, but I don't know if that's necessary ... ??)

[Unibot II]

It's actually incredible how much this has changed voting -- there is way more participation from individual members.

[[violet]]

Yes, I thought the numbers were up! That's good.

Abstain is certainly possible, but I'd like to know that a reasonable number of players would actually use it.