Modifying the income tax rate calculator

[The Dictators Will]

I oppose this.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Please don't "fix " something that isn't broken.

If it wasn't broken, it wouldn't be fixed. There are problems with the tax rate calculations. Capitalist economies have 100% tax rates. It is incredibly easy to end up at one of the extremes. The tax rate calculations certainly are broken.

[Haleytinium]

I'm for the new tax rate calculator

[The Mechanan Race]

I like the new system better, as it is more reasonable. Still, if one abolishes capitalism (as I have multiple times, apparently), they should instantly reach a 100% income tax. I should maintain my 100% income tax.

Dido, I am a dictatorship, and happen to want to have a 100% tax rate. I helps pay for all the public programs that gives me such a small division of rich and poor.

[Christianx]

I been trying for ages when I deal with the issues not to spend anymore as my tax rate was 100% now it been reduced. However I would like to be able to have some sort of a way of not letting my tax rate go back to the 100% ever again.

[Eurolaskasia]

What is the tax rate change based on?

[Bears Armed]

The only form of taxation that the national government of Bears Armed collects directly is customs duties on international trade, for the rest if its income -- apart from what it can gain by leasing-out mineral rights -- it constitutionally has to rely on "contributions" from the governments of the Confederation's member Clans (& other 'Confederated Bodys') instead... and how they raise the money is up to them, can vary considerably from Clan to Clan, and only includes any "income tax" at all in a few of those jurisdictions...

The game doesn't know all these roleplaying variables, understandably. Glen-Rhodes has a progressive taxation system, for example, yet the game doesn't reflect that the lowest tax rate would certainly not be anywhere near 77%!

Considering that Bears Armed is spending so much on education and law & order, it makes sense that at least some money is coming into the various governments. That 9% is total taxation, not just income taxation. To reconcile it, that 9% makes up customs duties and however the confederated clans collect taxes.

Oh sure, that fact I have no problem with: It's the fact that however the money is raised IC the game will display the source on my nation's page as 'income tax' to which I take exception...
Maybe, while re-coding is underway, the word "income" could simply be dropped from the relevant line?

(If the latter change has already been suggested & dismissed then I apologise for raising it again, but I don't have enough time left online today to read through the eight pages of posts that have been added to this thread since my own last post herein...)

[Chazicaria]

I say do it!

[Kington Langley]

For so long has my democratic nation had such undemocratic tax rates. I think this new system is a great idea

[Bobs Taco Shack]

I have 100% tax rate in the old system. I have 100% tax rate in the new system. All is well.

[Pirullinen Varjot]

I have no issues with the new tax calculation algorithm.

[Polopeople]

i loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee that my tax rate is this high PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ donnt change it :unsure :rofl

[Herrebrugh]

i loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee that my tax rate is this high PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ donnt change it :unsure :rofl

stop spamming! god.

[Gourmet With Genki]

The new calculator is definitely a fantastic idea.

[Andorianus]

Yes, I think the new calculator is a great idea. I've been trying so hard to get my tax back to a normal level, but it still states a ridiculously large amount because I have been quite socialist in the past. Fixing it would be great.

[Quoziced]

Yes Please!

I've been trying to reduce my tax rate for about a year with no sucess. Under the new system it would be 83% which seems far more reasonable given the efforts I've made.

[Bafuria]

Oh yes!

[Demphor]

I like it, but I have a question:

does the tax rate actually change?

[Dass Alte Reich]

I don't like this, it's going to cause a huge tax hike in my other nations.

[Aertan]

Im for it!

[[violet]]

Thanks again for all this feedback!

1) What will the higher rate do to NWS's economy? It's a "powerhouse" now.

2) How will the increased tax spending affect the services my country provides? NWS already spends a lot of its (previously meager) state budget on education, which coupled with the big economy, seemed to be providing good services... will the people become more educated?

No, nothing will be affected besides the income tax number. It's a change in the algorithm that figures out how much your government services cost in tax. It's not changing the level of government services or anything like that. It will not alter your Economy rating.

in large, hardcore capitalist ones, they're not nearly as correspondingly far below zero.

They must be doing something wrong. Last time I calculated my true tax rate, I was somewhere between -150% and -175%.

Still got a way to go, Hack! There are plenty of underlying rates below that. But they're still much less than I've seen the other way.

Maybe, while re-coding is underway, the word "income" could simply be dropped from the relevant line?

It's true that it's not really supposed to be specific to income tax, but rather the main form of taxation on citizens. It's a little tricky to move to an alternative, though, because we'd really need to break out individual and corporate tax rates, since in many nations those will be wildly divergent. Or convert to a % of GDP. So it's a change beyond the scope of this particular change. You could start a new thread on it if you like.

I don't care what you do, this is just a game to me.

I loled.

Getting a 100% ITR is easy. Getting that AND a high GDP is hard. Getting both AND with high Defence expenditures is nearly impossible. But that's what I'm trying my best to achieve over the next couple of years (yes, it takes that long. One wrong move and your GDP is fucked. Getting it back on track will leave you even further behind as that will probably hurt you ITR). This new tax system would just ruin what I've been working towards for almost a year now.

Clearly a few nations want a 100% tax rate. It was mentioned earlier that nations that outlaw capitalism or otherwise get themselves into completely state-run economies should have 100% tax rates. (Skipping for the moment the debate about whether that rate is really 100% or 0%.) I think this makes sense, since there's no problem having your government collect more money than it needs. That's also a change beyond this particular scope, but feel free to start a new thread.

[Crontor]

Has there been a final decision?

[Ledarre]

Clearly a few nations want a 100% tax rate. It was mentioned earlier that nations that outlaw capitalism or otherwise get themselves into completely state-run economies should have 100% tax rates. (Skipping for the moment the debate about whether that rate is really 100% or 0%.) I think this makes sense, since there's no problem having your government collect more money than it needs. That's also a change beyond this particular scope, but feel free to start a new thread.

As stated in an earlier thread I support the new tax calculations. It's a bit of a shame that I would have to get rid of my planned economy to benefit though. Whilst I disagree with the above statement, I guess I could always RP a different tax rate based on the new calculation though.

[[violet]]

Has there been a final decision?

Nope. Looks likely, based on feedback, but we'll give it a week or so to hear from everybody.

[Almaniania]

I believe that this change is a necessary thing.
First off, I hate having such a high tax rate... I feel awful for it.
Second, if you guys really want 100%, you can always answer issues. You'll be back up there within a week most.
Third, it gives us players who like lowering taxes (somewhat) an opportunity to decrease our tax rates.

I say go for it.