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Prion-Cirus Imperium
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Postby Prion-Cirus Imperium » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:16 am

DutchFormosa wrote:I'm not sure if this was asked or answered already, but if our nations were to CTE (even with the timer being extended), does that mean that the region(s) they reside in will get deleted as well? Or will they be stuck in some kind of limbo state until the site comes back online? Just curious.

No, the regions will not be deleted

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Wangano
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Postby Wangano » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:17 am

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Wangano wrote:How far are you on fixing the site and when will the next update about the downtime will be released

If we knew when the next update would be released then we'd release it.
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The Kharkivan Cossacks wrote:I don't believe anyone has asked this, but I had a purchase in the NS shop, and one of the main things in it was doubling my deck capacity. I assume because of the effect on cards, all the times I increased my deck capacity naturally would be gone, so what would happen to this doubling from the purchase?

I'll flag this question for review.

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Postby DRP Political Party » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:17 am

Safiniatin wrote:
Satreburg wrote:Nah you are trying to make people scared that it will revive next year. I would play War Thunder.

The revival is so slow. I think NationStates mods are nimrods when it comes to backup. Bruh why May? You should have done it before the failure, and also the worst is that they didn't check the state of the disk who never completely fails oneshot unless you have low-quality chinese disks

https://youtu.be/A134hShx_gw?si=UMTqpMX82glixmM5&t=109 ]
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Prion-Cirus Imperium
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Postby Prion-Cirus Imperium » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:20 am

DRP Political Party wrote:
Safiniatin wrote:The revival is so slow. I think NationStates mods are nimrods when it comes to backup. Bruh why May? You should have done it before the failure, and also the worst is that they didn't check the state of the disk who never completely fails oneshot unless you have low-quality chinese disks

https://youtu.be/A134hShx_gw?si=UMTqpMX82glixmM5&t=109 ]
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Postby Ferneus » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:20 am

It seems tensions are a bit high, so I'll give something nice for the mods to read instead.

Unlike some other people in this thread, I actually kinda see this as a good thing, at least personally. It forces me to take a potentially well-needed break from the site while it is being fixed, and allows me to recharge my writing battery and think up new ideas for my region's RP in the meantime. I'm certainly a bit jumpy about wanting to get back to it, I'm sure we all are, especially since this is one of the main things I do in my freetime to help stimulate my writing and worldbuilding skills, but I also know vaguely firsthand that sometimes technology is hard and confusing lol. I personally could barely even figure out how to get a mod from Github to work properly, so I can only imagine what hell the mods are going through right now. Keep up the good work guys, and don't let the haters get to you. Cheers!

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Postby DRP Political Party » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:22 am

Prion-Cirus Imperium wrote:
DRP Political Party wrote:https://youtu.be/A134hShx_gw?si=UMTqpMX82glixmM5&t=109 ]
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Amerikkha
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Postby Amerikkha » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:34 am

I hope this problem ends soon

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Ongoing Database Problems: Discussion/Questions

Postby Blue Laws » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:39 am

Dezmondia wrote:Hoping this mess will end soon, don’t want my nations to collapse

Even if some nations are somehow lost (which has been ruled out), that will still be an opportunity to build back an even better nation.

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Postby Very totally free » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:44 am

Blue Laws wrote:
Dezmondia wrote:Hoping this mess will end soon, don’t want my nations to collapse

Even if some nations are somehow lost (which has been ruled out), that will still be an opportunity to build back an even better nation.

dont put nations being lost out into the universe,you'll jinx us and there will be a tragedy
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Merethin
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Postby Merethin » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:50 am

DutchFormosa wrote:I'm not sure if this was asked or answered already, but if our nations were to CTE (even with the timer being extended), does that mean that the region(s) they reside in will get deleted as well? Or will they be stuck in some kind of limbo state until the site comes back online? Just curious.


Nations can't CTE until the site comes back online, so this won't happen. The timer was extended so that nations on the verge of CTE-ing before the site went down would have a bit of leeway to log back in after the site comes back online.
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Postby The Ambis » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:51 am

DutchFormosa wrote:I'm not sure if this was asked or answered already, but if our nations were to CTE (even with the timer being extended), does that mean that the region(s) they reside in will get deleted as well? Or will they be stuck in some kind of limbo state until the site comes back online? Just curious.

Updates are not running. You cannot CTE. Is not a possibility
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Blue Laws
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Postby Blue Laws » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:57 am

Very totally free wrote:
Blue Laws wrote:Even if some nations are somehow lost (which has been ruled out), that will still be an opportunity to build back an even better nation.

dont put nations being lost out into the universe,you'll jinx us and there will be a tragedy


We already have a tragedy. It would become a cataclysm.

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The Babes Without Borders
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Thanks NS Staff

Postby The Babes Without Borders » Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:15 am

I too want to thank the Mods, Admins, Programmers, and Staff for their efforts to get us back. I know this must be a stressful time for all of them.

Thank you, guys!

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Postby Ammmericaaaa » Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:17 am

DutchFormosa wrote:I'm not sure if this was asked or answered already, but if our nations were to CTE (even with the timer being extended), does that mean that the region(s) they reside in will get deleted as well? Or will they be stuck in some kind of limbo state until the site comes back online? Just curious.

Until the sites online again nations can't CTE :)

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Prion-Cirus Imperium
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Postby Prion-Cirus Imperium » Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:20 am

The Babes Without Borders wrote:I too want to thank the Mods, Admins, Programmers, and Staff for their efforts to get us back. I know this must be a stressful time for all of them.

Thank you, guys!

That's a kind guy. :)

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The Babes Without Borders
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CTE Nations

Postby The Babes Without Borders » Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:24 am

Ammmericaaaa wrote:
DutchFormosa wrote:I'm not sure if this was asked or answered already, but if our nations were to CTE (even with the timer being extended), does that mean that the region(s) they reside in will get deleted as well? Or will they be stuck in some kind of limbo state until the site comes back online? Just curious.

Until the sites online again nations can't CTE :)

But they cannot be fully restored, either. As you can tell by my flag, I had CTE just before the shut-down, and was in the process of restoring my nation in one of the Sinker regions. Now, I will just have to wait to fix my poor little nation! :(

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Postby Montrandec » Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:35 am

The Babes Without Borders wrote:
Ammmericaaaa wrote:Until the sites online again nations can't CTE :)

But they cannot be fully restored, either. As you can tell by my flag, I had CTE just before the shut-down, and was in the process of restoring my nation in one of the Sinker regions. Now, I will just have to wait to fix my poor little nation! :(

Given the game is not up currently, you can't modify customisable fields, move region, or answer issues, while I am not a techie of any kind it is to be assumed that once the game is back up all the areas of the game barring the ones affected by the disk failure will be functional, from what has been said. Just saying this to avoid confusion for someone reading this without much other info.

I wish you the best of luck in fixing your nation!

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Postby United Calanworie » Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:47 am

Since the last update we've succeeded in restoring several other tables with some of us (literally) working through the night to do so. Progress continues on some larger ones that are reluctant to budge and actually let us load them in. There's three large tables (I'm talking tens to hundreds of millions of rows) remaining that haven't yet been loaded back in, but they're on our priority list to get sorted. Our current plan is to bring up the game once we have everything restored (minus cards) and then restore cards once we have a better idea of whether or not we're going to be able to recover data associated with it.
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Postby New Yi Empire » Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:49 am

United Calanworie wrote:Since the last update we've succeeded in restoring several other tables with some of us (literally) working through the night to do so. Progress continues on some larger ones that are reluctant to budge and actually let us load them in. There's three large tables (I'm talking tens to hundreds of millions of rows) remaining that haven't yet been loaded back in, but they're on our priority list to get sorted. Our current plan is to bring up the game once we have everything restored (minus cards) and then restore cards once we have a better idea of whether or not we're going to be able to recover data associated with it.

How long does it take to get one large table done (not belittling or criticizing just a genuine question) and whats next after the table restoration
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Postby Maximum Imperium Rex » Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:52 am

United Calanworie wrote:Since the last update we've succeeded in restoring several other tables with some of us (literally) working through the night to do so. Progress continues on some larger ones that are reluctant to budge and actually let us load them in. There's three large tables (I'm talking tens to hundreds of millions of rows) remaining that haven't yet been loaded back in, but they're on our priority list to get sorted. Our current plan is to bring up the game once we have everything restored (minus cards) and then restore cards once we have a better idea of whether or not we're going to be able to recover data associated with it.

I thought there was no hope of restoring cards? Was this the case, and if so, what changed that so there was a chance?
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:57 am

United Calanworie wrote:Since the last update we've succeeded in restoring several other tables with some of us (literally) working through the night to do so. Progress continues on some larger ones that are reluctant to budge and actually let us load them in. There's three large tables (I'm talking tens to hundreds of millions of rows) remaining that haven't yet been loaded back in, but they're on our priority list to get sorted. Our current plan is to bring up the game once we have everything restored (minus cards) and then restore cards once we have a better idea of whether or not we're going to be able to recover data associated with it.

Thanks all of you for working so hard on this.
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Postby United Calanworie » Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:05 pm

Maximum Imperium Rex wrote:
United Calanworie wrote:Since the last update we've succeeded in restoring several other tables with some of us (literally) working through the night to do so. Progress continues on some larger ones that are reluctant to budge and actually let us load them in. There's three large tables (I'm talking tens to hundreds of millions of rows) remaining that haven't yet been loaded back in, but they're on our priority list to get sorted. Our current plan is to bring up the game once we have everything restored (minus cards) and then restore cards once we have a better idea of whether or not we're going to be able to recover data associated with it.

I thought there was no hope of restoring cards? Was this the case, and if so, what changed that so there was a chance?

We're still remaining cautiously optimistic that we may be able to recover something be it via physical recovery off of the damaged drive, or through other methods.
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Postby Merethin » Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:07 pm

United Calanworie wrote:Since the last update we've succeeded in restoring several other tables with some of us (literally) working through the night to do so. Progress continues on some larger ones that are reluctant to budge and actually let us load them in. There's three large tables (I'm talking tens to hundreds of millions of rows) remaining that haven't yet been loaded back in, but they're on our priority list to get sorted. Our current plan is to bring up the game once we have everything restored (minus cards) and then restore cards once we have a better idea of whether or not we're going to be able to recover data associated with it.


Thank you all for your hard work!
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Postby Khantin » Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:07 pm

United Calanworie wrote:Since the last update we've succeeded in restoring several other tables with some of us (literally) working through the night to do so. Progress continues on some larger ones that are reluctant to budge and actually let us load them in. There's three large tables (I'm talking tens to hundreds of millions of rows) remaining that haven't yet been loaded back in, but they're on our priority list to get sorted. Our current plan is to bring up the game once we have everything restored (minus cards) and then restore cards once we have a better idea of whether or not we're going to be able to recover data associated with it.

Let’s all take a moment to thank the mods for all their hard work. Thank you. When things like this happens you learn from it on how you can improve and make sure it can’t happen again or at least on this level. So thanks for all the hard work. And tell those that stayed up all night thanks for working hard. I mean tell all of the mods thanks but especially those that are sleep deprived.
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Postby Winx club » Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:27 pm

United Calanworie wrote:Since the last update we've succeeded in restoring several other tables with some of us (literally) working through the night to do so. Progress continues on some larger ones that are reluctant to budge and actually let us load them in. There's three large tables (I'm talking tens to hundreds of millions of rows) remaining that haven't yet been loaded back in, but they're on our priority list to get sorted. Our current plan is to bring up the game once we have everything restored (minus cards) and then restore cards once we have a better idea of whether or not we're going to be able to recover data associated with it.

Thanks for the update. Wish we could get you guys all pizzas for help working through the night. T-3 tables until restore :)

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