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South Pacifican Kilendjj
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Postby South Pacifican Kilendjj » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:14 am

So I feel like our current boneyard needs a little bit more improvement. I have come up with a bunch on ideas in which the nation of Trivalve was able to visually represent. These designs should give a good understanding to what the new boneyard should look like:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1719736
(If you click on the first CTE'd nation it will take to to that nations more detailed CTE page)

To sum it up, the boneyard has similar design to The World page in which you will be able to click on a nation to show more information about that nation.
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Postby Saksoni » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:20 am

Well, i cant say this looks much better, because our current boneyard... well, it doesnt have a look.
Send this message to some mods or to leader of Nord Pacific.
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Postby South Pacifican Kilendjj » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:22 am

Saksoni wrote:Well, i cant say this looks much better, because our current boneyard... well, it doesnt have a look.
Send this message to some mods or to leader of Nord Pacific.

I am pretty sure the NS mods will block me from there tgs
plus I don't wanna bother them
Drew is life, drew is love, wait a minute- I thought this was my diary, nah jk anyways, I am a Number nerd (I touch grass and workout so am not full nerd lol), Kinda of an atheist slightly lutheran and a single pringle
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and btw here is a music video (one of my favs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYIAynSM7ZI

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Postby Ashotu » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:22 am

I think that looks very good
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Postby Saksoni » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:23 am

South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:
Saksoni wrote:Well, i cant say this looks much better, because our current boneyard... well, it doesnt have a look.
Send this message to some mods or to leader of Nord Pacific.

I am pretty sure the NS mods will block me from there tgs
plus I don't wanna bother them

Man i annoy the mods so much i will send it for you, they will either ignore it or get enligthement from this idea
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Postby South Pacifican Kilendjj » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:24 am

Saksoni wrote:
South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:I am pretty sure the NS mods will block me from there tgs
plus I don't wanna bother them

Man i annoy the mods so much i will send it for you, they will either ignore it or get enligthement from this idea

that's not smth you should be proud of lol-
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and btw here is a music video (one of my favs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYIAynSM7ZI

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Postby Meadowfields » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:25 am

Saksoni wrote:Well, i cant say this looks much better, because our current boneyard... well, it doesnt have a look.
Send this message to some mods or to leader of Nord Pacific.

why to Pallaith tho? He can't do anything about the programming of the game. Also, the technical forum is pretty much also handled by mods, so mods will see this.
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Postby South Pacifican Kilendjj » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:26 am

Meadowfields wrote:
Saksoni wrote:Well, i cant say this looks much better, because our current boneyard... well, it doesnt have a look.
Send this message to some mods or to leader of Nord Pacific.

why to Pallaith tho? He can't do anything about the programming of the game. Also, the technical forum is pretty much also handled by mods, so mods will see this.

ikr-
Drew is life, drew is love, wait a minute- I thought this was my diary, nah jk anyways, I am a Number nerd (I touch grass and workout so am not full nerd lol), Kinda of an atheist slightly lutheran and a single pringle
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and btw here is a music video (one of my favs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYIAynSM7ZI

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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:15 am

Saksoni wrote:Send this message to some mods or to leader of Nord Pacific.

Saksoni wrote:Man i annoy the mods so much i will send it for you, they will either ignore it or get enligthement from this idea

Stop giving out bad advice; you clearly have no idea how anything works. Do not telegram mods about random technical suggestions; you'll either be ignored or blocked.

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Postby Trivalve » Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:46 pm

Ashotu wrote:I think that looks very good

Thanks! They aren't perfect designs but I have been quite busy at the moment lol
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Postby Panagouge » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:02 pm

Not a bad idea; the boneyard could certainly use a few QOL improvements.
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Postby South Pacifican Kilendjj » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:19 pm

Panagouge wrote:Not a bad idea; the boneyard could certainly use a few QOL improvements.

yea, It's kinda mid
Drew is life, drew is love, wait a minute- I thought this was my diary, nah jk anyways, I am a Number nerd (I touch grass and workout so am not full nerd lol), Kinda of an atheist slightly lutheran and a single pringle
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and btw here is a music video (one of my favs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYIAynSM7ZI

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Postby Trivalve » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:23 pm

South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:
Panagouge wrote:Not a bad idea; the boneyard could certainly use a few QOL improvements.

yea, It's kinda mid

I did try to make a couple of CTE jokes in the stat's fields such as the dodo bird but I got lazy and just put CTE in front of the rest lol, I hope that the designs are able to clearly show what you want though.
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Postby Trivalve » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:32 pm

Also if any of you have more suggestions on what should be added to the designs, notify me and I will add them to the factbook
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Postby Dexterra » Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:20 pm

South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:[quoting this for reference, see above for full post] To sum it up, the boneyard has similar design to The World page in which you will be able to click on a nation to show more information about that nation.

I like the spirit of this idea (no pun intended), though I wonder: would this change include every single nation in the entirety of the game's history going all the way back 20 years - if so, is all that data recoverable? Or would this change be only for present and future active nations? How will either differentiate between nations with reused names and/or a future reused name - or will each and every use be included no matter the amount?

How will this change address challenges it could present to site staff through DEAT/OS nations? Such as residual malicious content in customizable fields, material for gloating or even shrines to well-known users (e.g. Layem)not to say that any of these will happen? The current Boneyard seems like an equalizing resting place for the game's good, bad and ugly, so how does this change plan to maintain that - and if not, what is the alternative, especially considering the graves of those 'disgraced' and 'soiled'?

What non-staff recourse, if any, would be available to users who might want all their nation's info deleted as fully as possible when they CTE? And keep their privacy intact with or without what may become Hotel NSfornia, a place where our nations can CTE any 28th day we like - but they can never leave?
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Postby South Pacifican Kilendjj » Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:47 pm

Dexterra wrote:
South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:[quoting this for reference, see above for full post] To sum it up, the boneyard has similar design to The World page in which you will be able to click on a nation to show more information about that nation.

I like the spirit of this idea (no pun intended), though I wonder: would this change include every single nation in the entirety of the game's history going all the way back 20 years - if so, is all that data recoverable? Or would this change be only for present and future active nations? How will either differentiate between nations with reused names and/or a future reused name - or will each and every use be included no matter the amount?

How will this change address challenges it could present to site staff through DEAT/OS nations? Such as residual malicious content in customizable fields, material for gloating or even shrines to well-known users (e.g. Layem)not to say that any of these will happen? The current Boneyard seems like an equalizing resting place for the game's good, bad and ugly, so how does this change plan to maintain that - and if not, what is the alternative, especially considering the graves of those 'disgraced' and 'soiled'?

What non-staff recourse, if any, would be available to users who might want all their nation's info deleted as fully as possible when they CTE? And keep their privacy intact with or without what may become Hotel NSfornia, a place where our nations can CTE any 28th day we like - but they can never leave?

well I'm kinda half asleep rn so imma just answer 1 of ur questions

yes it would include every single nation that CTE'D in the 20 yrs
Drew is life, drew is love, wait a minute- I thought this was my diary, nah jk anyways, I am a Number nerd (I touch grass and workout so am not full nerd lol), Kinda of an atheist slightly lutheran and a single pringle
------
and btw here is a music video (one of my favs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYIAynSM7ZI

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Postby Dexterra » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:16 pm

South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:yes it would include every single nation that CTE'D in the 20 yrs

I wonder how many this is, exactly? Somewhere in the millions?
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:25 pm

Dexterra wrote:
South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:yes it would include every single nation that CTE'D in the 20 yrs

I wonder how many this is, exactly? Somewhere in the millions?

On the home page (available when you log out) today:
7,962,284 nations served!
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Postby Dexterra » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:31 pm

SherpDaWerp wrote:
Dexterra wrote:I wonder how many this is, exactly? Somewhere in the millions?

On the home page (available when you log out) today:
7,962,284 nations served!

Aha, I knew it was hiding around here somewherein small text (to me lol); thank you - boy oh boy, look at that number
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Postby South Pacifican Kilendjj » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:42 pm

SherpDaWerp wrote:
Dexterra wrote:I wonder how many this is, exactly? Somewhere in the millions?

On the home page (available when you log out) today:
7,962,284 nations served!

yea but wouldn't u wanna see the 7,962,284 nations in detail and convient to you
Drew is life, drew is love, wait a minute- I thought this was my diary, nah jk anyways, I am a Number nerd (I touch grass and workout so am not full nerd lol), Kinda of an atheist slightly lutheran and a single pringle
------
and btw here is a music video (one of my favs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYIAynSM7ZI

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Postby Dexterra » Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:08 pm

South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:yea but wouldn't u wanna see the 7,962,284 nations in detail and convient to you

Well, would the server hamsters?
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Postby South Pacifican Kilendjj » Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:16 pm

Dexterra wrote:
South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:yea but wouldn't u wanna see the 7,962,284 nations in detail and convient to you

Well, would the server hamsters?

idk tbh-
Drew is life, drew is love, wait a minute- I thought this was my diary, nah jk anyways, I am a Number nerd (I touch grass and workout so am not full nerd lol), Kinda of an atheist slightly lutheran and a single pringle
------
and btw here is a music video (one of my favs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYIAynSM7ZI

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Postby Trivalve » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:13 am

South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:
SherpDaWerp wrote:On the home page (available when you log out) today:

yea but wouldn't u wanna see the 7,962,284 nations in detail and convient to you

You have to think realistically here. Most likely if this change is implemented, it will be done to new CTEs. Unless the data of CTEd nations is stored in a database it would take ages to put in all of the nations that have CTEd
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Postby Thethen » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:17 am

Trivalve wrote:
South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:yea but wouldn't u wanna see the 7,962,284 nations in detail and convient to you

You have to think realistically here. Most likely if this change is implemented, it will be done to new CTEs. Unless the data of CTEd nations is stored in a database it would take ages to put in all of the nations that have CTEd

And new CTEs arrive every day, so it will effectively be an eternal converting unless we all temporarily paused CTEing.
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Postby Trivalve » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:24 am

Thethen wrote:
Trivalve wrote:You have to think realistically here. Most likely if this change is implemented, it will be done to new CTEs. Unless the data of CTEd nations is stored in a database it would take ages to put in all of the nations that have CTEd

And new CTEs arrive every day, so it will effectively be an eternal converting unless we all temporarily paused CTEing.

Well actually new nations arrive everyday so that part wouldn't be much of an issue
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