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[Suggestion] Founders can't be affected by Border Control

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[Suggestion] Founders can't be affected by Border Control

Postby Grishahakkaverchynot » Sun May 01, 2022 5:38 pm

(Anytime I mention Founders here, I'm referring to executive founders.)
Typically when banning Founders you get a warning that they can unban themselves.
This should change. RO's and Delegates with Border Control and enough influence to eject or ban the Founder should not be allowed to ban the Founder.
Founders should also be able to bypass regional password locks. (Password-locked regions where the Founder is absent, when the Founder comes in, don't prompt, allow them in.) This could make R/D less capable of destruction, though. Founders have access to the regional admin panel from outside anyway.
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Postby Cyberstrom » Sun May 01, 2022 6:54 pm

Grishahakkaverchynot wrote:(Anytime I mention Founders here, I'm referring to executive founders.)
Typically when banning Founders you get a warning that they can unban themselves.
This should change. RO's and Delegates with Border Control and enough influence to eject or ban the Founder should not be allowed to ban the Founder.
Founders should also be able to bypass regional password locks. (Password-locked regions where the Founder is absent, when the Founder comes in, don't prompt, allow them in.) This could make R/D less capable of destruction, though.


To my understanding, if you're an executive founder, you can remove the password whilst outside the region anyway?

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Postby Phydios » Sun May 01, 2022 7:00 pm

Seems like a pretty pointless change. To Founders, Border Control is already just so much plastic wrap and Scotch tape. Why would admin spend time on exempting them from it entirely, for no apparent benefit?
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Postby Comfed » Sun May 01, 2022 7:19 pm

Regions have been destroyed even with an active founder, fwiw. This region was apparently destroyed even with a non-executive founder by officers with Border Control.

That said, if a founder was so asleep at the wheel that they let it happen, I'd have a hard time feeling sorry for them. It's very easy to prevent stuff like that.
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Postby Panagouge » Sun May 01, 2022 7:33 pm

Phydios wrote:Seems like a pretty pointless change. To Founders, Border Control is already just so much plastic wrap and Scotch tape. Why would admin spend time on exempting them from it entirely, for no apparent benefit?

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Postby Savonir » Sun May 01, 2022 10:39 pm

I don't think it's necessary to exempt Founders from being banned or ejected. Founders can unban themselves anyway.

Moreover, as for regions being destroyed and refounded, it's really a part of the game.

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Postby Wayneactia » Mon May 02, 2022 2:12 am

Cyberstrom wrote:
Grishahakkaverchynot wrote:(Anytime I mention Founders here, I'm referring to executive founders.)
Typically when banning Founders you get a warning that they can unban themselves.
This should change. RO's and Delegates with Border Control and enough influence to eject or ban the Founder should not be allowed to ban the Founder.
Founders should also be able to bypass regional password locks. (Password-locked regions where the Founder is absent, when the Founder comes in, don't prompt, allow them in.) This could make R/D less capable of destruction, though.


To my understanding, if you're an executive founder, you can remove the password whilst outside the region anyway?

Correct. An executive founder can always control their region.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Mon May 02, 2022 10:39 am

Grishahakkaverchynot wrote:(Anytime I mention Founders here, I'm referring to executive founders.)
Typically when banning Founders you get a warning that they can unban themselves.
This should change. RO's and Delegates with Border Control and enough influence to eject or ban the Founder should not be allowed to ban the Founder.

Against. I enjoy banning myself frequently.

Grishahakkaverchynot wrote:Founders should also be able to bypass regional password locks. (Password-locked regions where the Founder is absent, when the Founder comes in, don't prompt, allow them in.) This could make R/D less capable of destruction, though.

They can. Any time and anywhere, if you're an executive founder, you can remove the password from your region. You can also install a new one, should you choose, for free!

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Postby Grishahakkaverchynot » Mon May 02, 2022 5:43 pm

Alright, maybe the password part of Border Control immunity isn't so implementable because they have access to the regional admin panel of the region from outside... I've edited the OP.
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon May 02, 2022 5:53 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Cyberstrom wrote:
To my understanding, if you're an executive founder, you can remove the password whilst outside the region anyway?

Correct. An executive founder can always control their region.

Except that if they're outside the region then the Delegate automatically has 'executive' authority even if the Founder had previously switched that power off... and the Founder can't switch it off from outside.
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Postby Comfed » Mon May 02, 2022 6:58 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Correct. An executive founder can always control their region.

Except that if they're outside the region then the Delegate automatically has 'executive' authority even if the Founder had previously switched that power off... and the Founder can't switch it off from outside.

But the founder can switch the password off, come back in and make the Delegate non-executive.
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon May 02, 2022 7:51 pm

Comfed wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Except that if they're outside the region then the Delegate automatically has 'executive' authority even if the Founder had previously switched that power off... and the Founder can't switch it off from outside.

But the founder can switch the password off, come back in and make the Delegate non-executive.

Yes, but then if they move out again the Delegate regains executive power.
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Postby One Small Island » Mon May 02, 2022 7:55 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
Comfed wrote:But the founder can switch the password off, come back in and make the Delegate non-executive.

Yes, but then if they move out again the Delegate regains executive power.

Someone in the region needs executive authority. If the founder does not want the delegate to have executive authority they should stay in the region.
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue May 03, 2022 4:57 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Correct. An executive founder can always control their region.

Except that if they're outside the region then the Delegate automatically has 'executive' authority even if the Founder had previously switched that power off... and the Founder can't switch it off from outside.

This is true. They still retain full control of the region, even if outside of it though, so the whole idea itself is moot.
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