Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:31 pm
Altmoras wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote:
No one here is accusing you of acting in bad faith. All of the GHRs been received and reviewed. The cooperation is appreciated, but I'm sure that you can appreciate that we can't act solely on what we're told happened - it's helpful context and detail, but we need to conduct our own review on the back end to analyze what specific players did, when they did it, and what benefit was conferred by it.
You aren't acting at all. Sedgistan unambiguously declared Reliant illegal in the OP of this thread 7 weeks ago, since then all the users have submitted GHRs declaring their use and those who were asked have provided their copies of the script. Since the judgment on the legality of the script was already made before all that, one would think that you lot could decide what you were going to do about it in the intervening seven weeks, but you haven't. Imagine your local government declaring on TV that you've committed a crime and need to turn yourself in, then leaving you in the lobby of the police station for two months without charging you and barely acknowledging your existence, it's absurd.
If the preference from your end is that we refrain from sharing anything with the player base and then simply spring punishments on every suspected user of Reliant without serious investigation, then I would be surprised. If the preference is that everything be done faster, then obviously we all share the sentiment but you aren't contributing much to the discussion by reiterating what everyone already knows - that a speedy resolution of the issue is preferable to it dragging out, as it has.
Investigating the extent of rulebreaking of this script has proven time consuming for a number of reasons. Figuring out that it behaved illegally was the easy bit - determining the extent of illegal usage is much more time consuming.
Roavin wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote:We need to conduct our own review on the back end to analyze what specific players did, when they did it, and what benefit was conferred by it.
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that should tell you that we haven't decided that every rule-breaking instance of Reliant is categorically 3b
This phrasing made us ponder what could be so spooky in the server access logs, and we stumbled upon a possibility relating to benign VPN use by some players, some of which use Reliant, for latency reasons (a topic I've been in direct contact with [v] and Elu about as far back as February 2017 (!)).
I've GHR'd more info on that as well for admin to look at.
The info is received and is being examined, thanks.
I get that no one is happy with the speed at which this is moving, for a variety of reasons. We're trying to continue to engage meaningfully to the extent we can, but until the back end investigation and decision making on consequences is completed, there isn't a whole lot we can share. It's my preference not to lock this thread pending the result, because I would rather leave it open for productive questions/discussion - but if we keep getting posts focused solely on complaining about the speed, it's likely to get locked by a colleague.