Frontiers, Governors, Successors and Injunctions

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I would be somewhat interested in "interdictions" expiring automatically after a period of time, because otherwise I'm inclined to agree - the interdiction mill will ensure that any Frontier associated with the SC's "in" crowd will be possible to fight for temporary control of, but as Galiantus says, never be destroyed. Which does create some interesting battlefields, but effectively serves to limit the ecosystem to more in's than out's.

[Sedgistan]

predict the number of Frontiers will quickly balloon out of control, lending very little motivation for their conquest, and landing many new players in small, relatively inactive regions that are less likely to retain them in the game.

If they balloon out of control, there's more motivation to conquer and destroy them.

Also, you don't need to change a Frontier to non-Frontier status to prevent it receiving spawns. A solid purging would do the job.

[Sedgistan]

Violet likes the idea, so she'll look into feasibility. If it's too much complexity for now, it won't happen pre-launch, as I don't want to see Frontiers delayed.

I know historically "it'll come later" might mean "in a decade" or "never" in NS terms, but we do have more tech staff now, so things are different.

Name customisation for the Governor role is looking like it will happen.

Some mechanics details on Injunctions: the intent is that this proposal stays in effect, as with other SC resolutions, so will affect any future attempts to change to/from Frontier, obviously unless repealed. It will likely work as Liberations do (i.e. Liberations don't prevent a password being set; they only prevent one having an effect should the Founder not be present), so having an Injunction in effect won't stop a Delegate initiation a switch to/from Frontier, that switch just won't take effect when it reaches the end of the process, and will time out.

As a reminder, if a non-Frontier is switching to Frontier and has a Governor present, the intent is that the switch should still be able to go through regardless of an Injunction passing. This is the old "Founder is supreme" principle, which for example meant that Liberations cannot override passwords when a region Founder is present (i.e. the WA only has authority over WA-derived (i.e. Delegate) use of Executive powers).

We're almost at the stage where a partially complete version of this is deployed to NS3 for staff testing.

[The Ambis]

Ok, couple quick clarification questions:
1) With the injunction only taking effect at the end, would the influence cost still take effect? Be refunded?
2) Will injunctions prevent WA Delegates from switching, even if a governor is present?

[Sedgistan]

Ok, couple quick clarification questions:
1) With the injunction only taking effect at the end, would the influence cost still take effect? Be refunded?
2) Will injunctions prevent WA Delegates from switching, even if a governor is present?

1) Still take effect; it's paid at the start of the process of switching to/from Frontier.
2) The intention is not to if a Governor is present.

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On a separate note, an incomplete version of Frontiers has been deployed on NS3 for initial staff testing.

[Sedgistan]

Probably looking at a week or two before staff have found as many glitches as possible and Violet has fixed them; we'll then get some players onto NS3 for testing. I'm hopeful of launch around 10th April-ish.

[The Hinterplace]

How exciting!! Can't wait.

[Sedgistan]

If you are an established region who has an existing to-be-Frontier "colony" in place, has one planned, or otherwise intends to switch to Frontier (and maybe back -- Hell?), please could you let me know. Via TG or Discord DM if you'd prefer it not to be public for whatever reason. I'm aware that TGW has The Frontier and The League has Concord but I don't know others beyond that or any raider-affiliated equivalents.

I don't want to hear from NoobyMcNoobstan who runs a 2 nation region and thinks they might want a Frontier because they sound cool, but if you're representing an established region, I do want to know. I'm starting to make plans for player-involved beta testing, and want to get engaged/interested people lined up.

If you've made substantive contributions to this thread, you're probably already on my list of people to invite.

[Tinhampton]

If you are an established region who has an existing to-be-Frontier "colony" in place, has one planned, or otherwise intends to switch to Frontier (and maybe back -- Hell?), please could you let me know. Via TG or Discord DM if you'd prefer it not to be public for whatever reason. I'm aware that TGW has The Frontier and The League has Concord but I don't know others beyond that or any raider-affiliated equivalents.

I don't want to hear from NoobyMcNoobstan who runs a 2 nation region and thinks they might want a Frontier because they sound cool, but if you're representing an established region, I do want to know. I'm starting to make plans for player-involved beta testing, and want to get engaged/interested people lined up.

If you've made substantive contributions to this thread, you're probably already on my list of people to invite.

Sophia (founded April 2021) will become a frontier, as has been stated in multiple places. However, it is a standalone region (rather than an outpost of an established non-Frontier).

[Sedgistan]

You're on my list already - you were particularly helpful during Declarations testing.

[Quebecshire]

Very excited for this.

[Elegarth]

Probably looking at a week or two before staff have found as many glitches as possible and Violet has fixed them; we'll then get some players onto NS3 for testing. I'm hopeful of launch around 10th April-ish.

Exciting times are ahead then

[Sedgistan]

Player beta testing of Frontiers has started.

[Westinor]

Looks like Governors specifically receive two founder badges as opposed to the usual one.

[Quebecshire]

Looks like Governors specifically receive two founder badges as opposed to the usual one.

Yep^^ This is on my notes too. Having different ones might be nice if possible (could we add it to the request for WA icons?)

I'd also suggest that the "Successor" RO icon be a outline of the exective one as opposed to an outline of the appearance one. That seems more apt for the role.

[A Bloodred Moon]

This might be a premature observation but nations don't appear to found in Frontiers yet, having founded 60 nations. Is this intentional and did I miss something?

[Refiria]

This might be a premature observation but nations don't appear to found in Frontiers yet, having founded 60 nations. Is this intentional and did I miss something?

^ Seconded

[Sedgistan]

This might be a premature observation but nations don't appear to found in Frontiers yet, having founded 60 nations. Is this intentional and did I miss something?

The current Frontiers may not have met the criteria to get foundings yet.

[Wymondham]

This might be a premature observation but nations don't appear to found in Frontiers yet, having founded 60 nations. Is this intentional and did I miss something?

The current Frontiers may not have met the criteria to get foundings yet.

Is spawn rate factor 1 (length of time existed) being varied on NS3?

[Sedgistan]

The current Frontiers may not have met the criteria to get foundings yet.

Is spawn rate factor 1 (length of time existed) being varied on NS3?

No, but that won't stop spawnings. Once an update runs and there are some Delegates in place, then we should start seeing nations spawning in Frontiers.

Re. the other bugs reports / suggestions - thanks. I won't acknowledge them all just yet, but will do as more are added, and I get around to compiling them for admin to sort.

[The Ambis]

Is there a set amount of influence for making the switch? I know it's a lot (since I got a 10x your amount message) but I wanted to know if there's a set amount.

[Sedgistan]

It's a lot, and I'm not going to disclose exactly what, though players will probably be able to work it out in time.

[Galiantus III]

I might be missing something, but from the looks of it, regions founded as frontiers do not receive the "Frontier" tag. Is that intentional? Or does that only happen when they become eligible for spawns?

[The Ambis]

There appears to be a tag at the top of the list named “unknown”

[Refuge Isle]

I return, #1 in the world in four stats. All hail.

Initial thoughts:
There is an issue where the "minorinfo", "frontier-switching" class box spills over onto a region's flag.

Feeder info has a short description of what that means and does, but there isn't anything like that for the frontier info. Maybe worth adding?

I kinda think that it should be like a "found as frontier" or "found as exec delegate" because I don't really know what the point of a non-exec, non-frontier region would be. But I suspect that's not going to be a suggestion taken because it would take spice out of GP.

I understand that this is a similar situation to founding as non-exec, but I wonder if it might be an improvement to both that system and this one to auto-install the founder as an RO with a minimum of appearance perms to customise the region in the ordinarily twelve hours before regional controls are available to anyone.

It might also be an opportune time to add information to the admin page on the nature of delegates:
"X is a Frontier. It is run by the WA Delegate. The nation with the highest number of endorsements is elected WA Delegate at twice-daily updates."