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Gandoor wrote:-snip-

(Also I feel like most of what these dipshits are doing is just trying to DDOS the forums and not coming in and spamming them, I know there are the porn/gore spammers but blocking new users from posting even at all won't stop DDOSing)

It'd certainly reduce the harm that they would do, especially if they use their current tactics against the forums, as they would either have to wait a certain amount of time before wreaking havoc, which would mean that they would be easily noticed and dealt with instead of the current situation, or it would deter them from attacking the site at all.

Alphazi wrote:

The Free Joy State wrote:This seems like there is a high chance it would penalise and disadvantage legitimate players, at little loss to the spammers (as it would disrupt the site's function without them even being online).

If the problem is new nations posting a large number of these threads and making a large amount of new nations to do so, simply throttling the number of nations and posts that can be made by one person within a specific period seems like it should be a possible way to avoid disadvantaging players and changing the whole site for a tiny minority.

Correct. Also This gives true new players that struggle to find their way into the community and be seriously treated as respected, this feature probably brings insults and flaming directed at new players because people just falsely assumes that new players are new spammers.

I mean, the forums are good communication and this feature is en excuse for people to dis-respect and deny new players. Also Spammers are like 1 out of 1 trillion and your limiting all the trillion for one’s sake.

Luziyca wrote:

Gandoor wrote:-snip-

(Also I feel like most of what these dipshits are doing is just trying to DDOS the forums and not coming in and spamming them, I know there are the porn/gore spammers but blocking new users from posting even at all won't stop DDOSing)

It'd certainly reduce the harm that they would do, especially if they use their current tactics against the forums, as they would either have to wait a certain amount of time before wreaking havoc, which would mean that they would be easily noticed and dealt with instead of the current situation, or it would deter them from attacking the site at all.

Instead, maybe we should just block Specific Porn images and websites, which if spammers try to post them it can display error.

six months? maybe 48 hours or a week would be better, 6 months is way to harsh

Gandoor wrote:I'm not saying that that this idea wouldn't be good, but unless Max has changed his mind in the past few years, he doesn't want players to have to enter their email address to access the forums.

Source: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=251344&p=15463977#p15463977

(Also I feel like most of what these dipshits are doing is just trying to DDOS the forums and not coming in and spamming them, I know there are the porn/gore spammers but blocking new users from posting even at all won't stop DDOSing)

Still, I'm a little conflicted on it since it would be problematic. If possible or mods / administrators aren't, they should start Hardware ID banning trolls as IP bans are incredibly easy to evade.

Alphazi wrote:

Luziyca wrote:It'd certainly reduce the harm that they would do, especially if they use their current tactics against the forums, as they would either have to wait a certain amount of time before wreaking havoc, which would mean that they would be easily noticed and dealt with instead of the current situation, or it would deter them from attacking the site at all.

Instead, maybe we should just block Specific Porn images and websites, which if spammers try to post them it can display error.

I do think that there will be loopholes to that, but that might work

Mekanikus wrote:

Gandoor wrote:I'm not saying that that this idea wouldn't be good, but unless Max has changed his mind in the past few years, he doesn't want players to have to enter their email address to access the forums.

Source: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=251344&p=15463977#p15463977

(Also I feel like most of what these dipshits are doing is just trying to DDOS the forums and not coming in and spamming them, I know there are the porn/gore spammers but blocking new users from posting even at all won't stop DDOSing)

Still, I'm a little conflicted on it since it would be problematic. If possible or mods / administrators aren't, they should start Hardware ID banning trolls as IP bans are incredibly easy to evade.

Honestly, this is way too harsh and this just sabotages new players ability and the abilities of puppets, even when owners / others know they are puppets.

Alphazi wrote:

The Free Joy State wrote:This seems like there is a high chance it would penalise and disadvantage legitimate players, at little loss to the spammers (as it would disrupt the site's function without them even being online).

If the problem is new nations posting a large number of these threads and making a large amount of new nations to do so, simply throttling the number of nations and posts that can be made by one person within a specific period seems like it should be a possible way to avoid disadvantaging players and changing the whole site for a tiny minority.

Correct. Also This gives true new players that struggle to find their way into the community and be seriously treated as respected, this feature probably brings insults and flaming directed at new players because people just falsely assumes that new players are new spammers.

Alphazi wrote:I mean, the forums are good communication and this feature is en excuse for people to dis-respect and deny new players. Also Spammers are like 1 out of 1 trillion and your limiting all the trillion for one’s sake.

I would not say that this would encourage people to disrespect new players: far from it. It ensures that those who join the forums after waiting for a certain period of time would be those who have a legitimate reason to use the forums.

North American Imperial State wrote:six months? maybe 48 hours or a week would be better, 6 months is way to harsh

48 hours is honestly not enough time. They can easily wait 48 hours, but a month? Three? Six? They won't really last long at all.

Alphazi wrote:

Luziyca wrote:It'd certainly reduce the harm that they would do, especially if they use their current tactics against the forums, as they would either have to wait a certain amount of time before wreaking havoc, which would mean that they would be easily noticed and dealt with instead of the current situation, or it would deter them from attacking the site at all.

Instead, maybe we should just block Specific Porn images and websites, which if spammers try to post them it can display error.

They use a generic image host that many legitimate players use. This idea is useless.

Luziyca wrote:

Gandoor wrote:-snip-

(Also I feel like most of what these dipshits are doing is just trying to DDOS the forums and not coming in and spamming them, I know there are the porn/gore spammers but blocking new users from posting even at all won't stop DDOSing)

It'd certainly reduce the harm that they would do, especially if they use their current tactics against the forums, as they would either have to wait a certain amount of time before wreaking havoc, which would mean that they would be easily noticed and dealt with instead of the current situation, or it would deter them from attacking the site at all.

I guarantee you someone doesn't have to be logged-in in order to DDOS a website.

Free Ravensburg wrote:

Alphazi wrote:
Instead, maybe we should just block Specific Porn images and websites, which if spammers try to post them it can display error.

I do think that there will be loopholes to that, but that might work

Yes, For Example, Porn hub (sorry if not pg-13 discussion ), and just like the Inappropriate ads report this may be under control.

Alphazi wrote:

Luziyca wrote:It'd certainly reduce the harm that they would do, especially if they use their current tactics against the forums, as they would either have to wait a certain amount of time before wreaking havoc, which would mean that they would be easily noticed and dealt with instead of the current situation, or it would deter them from attacking the site at all.

Instead, maybe we should just block Specific Porn images and websites, which if spammers try to post them it can display error.

Or just limit the number of accounts a player can have to two per IP address. That way, the moderators will be able to easily deal with them.

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

Alphazi wrote:
Instead, maybe we should just block Specific Porn images and websites, which if spammers try to post them it can display error.

They use a generic image host that many legitimate players use. This idea is useless.

I mean, for example many legit image hosting have terms of services and hosting such porn is against there terms and these spammers will get banned.

Alphazi wrote:

Free Ravensburg wrote:I do think that there will be loopholes to that, but that might work

Yes, For Example, Porn hub (sorry if not pg-13 discussion ), and just like the Inappropriate ads report this may be under control.

Cornhub does have SFW content, though, not just pron.

The Blaatschapen wrote:Would it be possible to restrict new nations to only be able to post on Moderation and Technical (perhaps Got Issues too/instead of Moderation)? ie. the forums where they need to go for their Game-related questions.

I'm not too big a fan of any restriction myself, so minimizing impact would be good.

I am not a fan of blanket restrictions for one reason: those who are bombarding our forums -- with some seeming (at least to my layman's eyes) to attack in a manner almost akin to a kind of DDOS attack -- what would they like more than the forums becoming less accessible and less used?

I think it's better to look at minimising the harm a spammer can do, not shooing players away from the forums.

No more than a certain amount of nations per day/week/month and no more than X-posts per half-hour, etc seems to ensure everyone can still participate, while still minimising mod clean-up.

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:

Alphazi wrote:
Instead, maybe we should just block Specific Porn images and websites, which if spammers try to post them it can display error.

Or just limit the number of accounts a player can have to two per IP address. That way, the moderators will be able to easily deal with them.

Maybe to 100 or 200 ? This seems like too much at first glance but after first glance the spammer is done. Also this makes card farming impossible.

Alphazi wrote:

Free Ravensburg wrote:I do think that there will be loopholes to that, but that might work

Yes, For Example, Porn hub (sorry if not pg-13 discussion ), and just like the Inappropriate ads report this may be under control.

The Reformed American Republic wrote:They use a generic image host that many legitimate players use. This idea is useless.

Plus, the spammer doesn't use porn sites, or anything pornhub related.

The Free Joy State wrote:

The Blaatschapen wrote:Would it be possible to restrict new nations to only be able to post on Moderation and Technical (perhaps Got Issues too/instead of Moderation)? ie. the forums where they need to go for their Game-related questions.

I'm not too big a fan of any restriction myself, so minimizing impact would be good.

I am not a fan of blanket restrictions for one reason: those who are bombarding our forums -- with some seeming to attempt a kind of DDOS attack -- what would they like more than the forums becoming less accessible and less used?

I think it's better to look at minimising the harm a spammer can do, not shooing players away from the forums.

No more than a certain amount of nations per day/week/month and no more than X-posts per half-hour seems to ensure everyone can still participate, while still minimising mod clean-up.

Nice idea. Maybe install a queue system just like 2b2t in Minecraft. Just limit it and if you try to join, you will be blocked and waiting.

The Free Joy State wrote:

The Blaatschapen wrote:Would it be possible to restrict new nations to only be able to post on Moderation and Technical (perhaps Got Issues too/instead of Moderation)? ie. the forums where they need to go for their Game-related questions.

I'm not too big a fan of any restriction myself, so minimizing impact would be good.

I am not a fan of blanket restrictions for one reason: those who are bombarding our forums -- with some seeming to attempt a kind of DDOS attack -- what would they like more than the forums becoming less accessible and less used?

I think it's better to look at minimising the harm a spammer can do, not shooing players away from the forums.

No more than a certain amount of nations per day/week/month and no more than X-posts per half-hour seems to ensure everyone can still participate, while still minimising mod clean-up.

Forgive me for asking, but what is DDOS and what does it stand for?

Free Ravensburg wrote:

The Free Joy State wrote:I am not a fan of blanket restrictions for one reason: those who are bombarding our forums -- with some seeming to attempt a kind of DDOS attack -- what would they like more than the forums becoming less accessible and less used?

I think it's better to look at minimising the harm a spammer can do, not shooing players away from the forums.

No more than a certain amount of nations per day/week/month and no more than X-posts per half-hour seems to ensure everyone can still participate, while still minimising mod clean-up.

Forgive me for asking, but what is DDOS and what does it stand for?

Means denial of service attack.

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:

Alphazi wrote:
Instead, maybe we should just block Specific Porn images and websites, which if spammers try to post them it can display error.

Or just limit the number of accounts a player can have to two per IP address. That way, the moderators will be able to easily deal with them.

That literally wouldn't work because there are already tons of users with numerous accounts. I've got 25 myself, should the mods delete all but two of mine? Hell no.

Also 'IP addresses' are ultimately meaningless, hence why the mods say that IP bans are crazy easy to get around. I'm pretty sure I get a new IP whenever I restart my router, for example.

Gandoor wrote:

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Or just limit the number of accounts a player can have to two per IP address. That way, the moderators will be able to easily deal with them.

That literally wouldn't work because there are already tons of users with numerous accounts. I've got 25 myself, should the mods delete all but two of mine? Hell no.

Also 'IP addresses' are ultimately meaningless, hence why the mods say that IP bans are crazy easy to get around. I'm pretty sure I get a new IP whenever I restart my router, for example.

Good point. Also Card Farming is fucking hard of you do it. I just relieved that the site shut downed so I do not see the porn.

Gandoor wrote:

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Or just limit the number of accounts a player can have to two per IP address. That way, the moderators will be able to easily deal with them.

That literally wouldn't work because there are already tons of users with numerous accounts. I've got 25 myself, should the mods delete all but two of mine? Hell no.

Also 'IP addresses' are ultimately meaningless, hence why the mods say that IP bans are crazy easy to get around. I'm pretty sure I get a new IP whenever I restart my router, for example.

Don't forget VPN's

Just banning website links will not help us, we need posting limits on new nations, or an upgrade to the forum software, but the status quo cannot hold if we want to have a working forum.

Free Ravensburg wrote:

Gandoor wrote:That literally wouldn't work because there are already tons of users with numerous accounts. I've got 25 myself, should the mods delete all but two of mine? Hell no.

Also 'IP addresses' are ultimately meaningless, hence why the mods say that IP bans are crazy easy to get around. I'm pretty sure I get a new IP whenever I restart my router, for example.

Don't forget VPN's

Yes. I think we go back on topic because it is clear that limiting puppets would not fix the porn attacks.