by The Python » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:11 pm
by Comfed » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:43 pm
by The Python » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:46 pm
Comfed wrote:Definitely not. Refounding regions has been part of R/D since 2006. As well, natives also refound regions.
(And you may want to make the title of the thread more descriptive.)
by The Python » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:50 pm
by Comfed » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:57 pm
The Python wrote:Comfed wrote:Why? Then, instead of refounding right away raiders would just wait until the next update.
it would give defenders and natives more time to snipe the refound. Right now raiders can refound unpredictably, so natives/defenders do not have much time to snipe the refound, a 12 hours delay would give defenders more time to spot it and snipe the refound.
by One Small Island » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:44 pm
The Python wrote:it would give defenders and natives more time to snipe the refound.
by The Sherpa Empire » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:56 pm
by Flanderlion » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:40 pm
by LollerLand » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:54 pm
One Small Island wrote:It would also give raiders more time to snipe defender and native refounds.
by The Python » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:56 pm
The Sherpa Empire wrote:What would this actually accomplish, though?
If people can still enter the "reserved" regions, then they can still be raided. If people can't enter, then it is still unusable for everyone else, just like it would be unusable if it was held by raiders.
Flanderlion wrote:I actually like this idea. It sucks for R/D refounds, but R/D should be taking and building regions, not taking and destroying.
The Sherpa Empire wrote:What would this actually accomplish, though?
If people can still enter the "reserved" regions, then they can still be raided. If people can't enter, then it is still unusable for everyone else, just like it would be unusable if it was held by raiders.
by Luna Amore » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:10 am
by Unibot III » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:01 am
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by The Python » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:06 pm
Unibot III wrote:At least historically, defenders have the advantage in refound scenerios because defenders usually had more people who can be called online for update - most raiders were pilers, not updaters. No idea if that's still true.
The more people you have clicking "Create Region," the greater chance you can snatch the refound though. So increasing your updater count, increases the probability you will win the refound.
In general though, the better strategy is to not leave it up to chance if possible: flooding updaters into the region right before update blocks the refound before it can take place, but screws up the occupation. This is why WA Liberations are so helpful in discouraging regional griefing because it is regional passwords that block that latter manuever. Trying to grief a region without a password is a lot more difficult than griefing a region with a password.
What I think could be a helpful discussion is over the timeline of WA Liberations. Recalling Illuminati and Westphalia, for instance. Players nowadays have a lot better understanding of influence accumulation and the science behind it than previous generations, and they can obstruct the WA Queue through quorum raiding. Invaders have figured when to strike, how many pilers to use, how long to stash their lead puppet in the region beforehand, and how long it will take to optimize their occupation, so that defenders are behind the eight-ball when it comes to trying to get a WA Liberation in the queue and passed in time to prevent the regional griefing.
by United Calanworie » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:10 pm
The Python wrote:A random thought I had to make it harder for raiders to destroy/refound regions after occupying - what if there was a, say, 12 hour delay from the region having no nations in it and CTE'ing, so they must have no nations for 2 updates to CTE? This would make it easier for defenders or natives to snipe refounds.
by Tim-Opolis » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:25 am
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by Lord Dominator » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:40 pm
by Parxland » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:03 am
The Python wrote:A random thought I had to make it harder for raiders to destroy/refound regions after occupying - what if there was a, say, 12 hour delay from the region having no nations in it and CTE'ing, so they must have no nations for 2 updates to CTE? This would make it easier for defenders or natives to snipe refounds.
by Leutria » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:30 am
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