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Few new Tags for NS

Postby Whole India » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:21 am

I propose that a few new tags should be introduced. The tags I propose are Anti-Socialist, Authoritarian Leftist, Anti-Authoritarian Leftist. Both the tags are going to be beneficial to identify the regions. There is a Socialist tag already present in NS and likewise, to Counter Capitalism there is Anti-Capitalist, so the counter Socialism there should be Anti-Socialist tag. Communism nearly defines the entire left and hence is quite a broad ideology while fascism is just limited to Authoritarianism of Right-wing. Hence, Authoritarian Leftist, Anti-Authoritarian Leftist will help to identify a region's complete stand.
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Postby Libertarians » Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:36 am

The one thing I do agree with is that it does feel like a glaring omission to have capitalist/anti-capitalist but only have socialist. I think it should be consistent between the two, whether that means removing the anti-capitalist tag or adding an anti-socialist tag.

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Postby Whole India » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:48 am

Libertarians wrote:The one thing I do agree with is that it does feel like a glaring omission to have capitalist/anti-capitalist but only have socialist. I think it should be consistent between the two, whether that means removing the anti-capitalist tag or adding an anti-socialist tag.


One of the reasons for my idea, Irrespective of our OCC or IC ideologies, these things should be introduced. Even the Authoritarian Left thing is needed as people can understand which region possesses what.
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Former Bureaucrat for Home,Foreign Ministry of The North Pacific
Former Fellow for Cultural,Educational,Media Affairs of The South Pacific
Former Ambassador to International Democratic Union from TSP


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"If you want to see change then initiate that change."
"In your whole life don't be desperate, the more the desperate you are the more the mistakes you make. Accept facts and move on."
"When there is a heavy discontent against you expect something bad is waiting for you in future"
"Hindu is a geographical identity, the west made it a Hinduism, a religion"

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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:21 am

Tags aren't introduced for "balance". They're created when they would be useful - a sufficient number of regions would need to want to use them, they would need to be sufficiently distinct from other tabs, and they would need to be useful identifiers of a region's stance/activities.

I am not seeing any compelling arguments to suggest that's the case with the tags you've suggested here. We are not disappearing down the rabbit hole of having a tag for every ideology, and an equivalent "anti" tag for each of those.

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Postby Libertarians » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:51 am

Sedgistan wrote:Tags aren't introduced for "balance". They're created when they would be useful - a sufficient number of regions would need to want to use them, they would need to be sufficiently distinct from other tabs, and they would need to be useful identifiers of a region's stance/activities.

I am not seeing any compelling arguments to suggest that's the case with the tags you've suggested here. We are not disappearing down the rabbit hole of having a tag for every ideology, and an equivalent "anti" tag for each of those.

What was the compelling argument that we needed an anti-capitalist tag? That the staff member which wrote the initial list felt dirty after writing capitalist and needed redemption?

I recognize it is a worthy goal to keep the number of tags down, which is why I'm not sure it isn't better to axe a tag than add another. But, it is annoying to have the staff bias hard coded IMO.

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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:43 pm

Or maybe it's an acknowledgement that the right has sufficiently coherent and developed ideologies that it doesn't need to identify itself as "anti" anything? You can read it many ways.

That's kind of irrelevant though. "Anti-capitalist" is something that lots of people (RL and NS) define themselves as. "Anti-socialist" much less so. NS's player base leans leftwards, for better or for worse. There's an old thread here if you want to read 29 pages of discussion over which tags to implement (and there's probably dozens more threads scattered around this forum too).

There's right-wing mods btw.

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Postby Libertarians » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:14 pm

Sedgistan wrote:"Anti-socialist" much less so.

Uh, what? Anti-socialist sentiment is pretty well established, thus why politicians avoid the term like the plague in the US and outside of states with a heavy partisan tilt any politician unwilling to disavow it is dead in the water. Biden and Clinton both climbed over themselves making sure everyone knew they weren't a socialist.

I know there's little point to this discussion, but again the omission speaks volumes about the team's views on socialism vs. capitalism. Which is fine, it is Max's site.


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