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Postby The Unified Missourtama States » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:09 pm

Obuba wrote:Why does OP want to bog the card market? This will significantly reduce the value of Legendary cards. The whole point of these cards is that they're the top.

You, at 5 days old, already have a better understanding of the cards economy than everyone in this thread advocating for an additional rarity.

There would be too few mythics to constitute real collections and classes of value.
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Postby Obuba » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:12 pm

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Obuba wrote:Why does OP want to bog the card market? This will significantly reduce the value of Legendary cards. The whole point of these cards is that they're the top.

You, at 5 days old, already have a better understanding of the cards economy than everyone in this thread advocating for an additional rarity.


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Postby DavanteAdams » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:25 pm

Obuba wrote:
The Unified Missourtama States wrote:You, at 5 days old, already have a better understanding of the cards economy than everyone in this thread advocating for an additional rarity.


Quite right. I'm glad you can recognize my wisdom.


There's one.
But many others have been here way longer than you and we want change. A new card rarity would be just that. Legendary values would not be down, for Mythic's would just be higher.

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Postby Authoritaria-Imperia » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:35 pm

DavanteAdams wrote:There's one.
But many others have been here way longer than you and we want change. A new card rarity would be just that. Legendary values would not be down, for Mythic's would just be higher.
But that's the thing — the valuable part of Legendaries is that they're the highest rarity. You couldn't add another rarity on top without devaluing Legendaries significantly — the result would be Legendaries becoming "just another rarity" and Mythic cards taking on the role that Legendaries have now. That would leave us all back where we started.
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Postby Obuba » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:42 pm

DavanteAdams wrote:
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Quite right. I'm glad you can recognize my wisdom.


There's one.
But many others have been here way longer than you and we want change.


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Postby Cirrus Azale » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:48 pm

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An auction, [v] sells off one mythic rarity to be given to a nation in s3. The highest bidder wins, and their card will be mythic in the next season?


So we’re looking at Koem Kab, The Northern Light, 9003, and Giovanniland all getting there cards to mythic rarity throughout seasons? I think it’d be cool if you just picked 10-20 random nations and suddenly their card had value.
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Postby Czechostan » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:51 pm

What exactly is the point of adding an additional rank to card values? I mean, if you're going to add a card worth 5 bank, you might as well say why not have a card with 10 bank? And then 20 bank. And then 50 bank. And then 100. We have six categories as of now, and that seems like plenty to me.

Unless it's something like Honeydewistania's idea that has some twist, like being a random legendary card. Or maybe it could be a card that's gifted to a player by the NS community, sort of like how we vote for the Sec-Gen. Just something that makes it stand out from the other categories as especially unique.
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Postby DavanteAdams » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:56 pm

Cirrus Azale wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
An auction, [v] sells off one mythic rarity to be given to a nation in s3. The highest bidder wins, and their card will be mythic in the next season?


So we’re looking at Koem Kab, The Northern Light, 9003, and Giovanniland all getting there cards to mythic rarity throughout seasons? I think it’d be cool if you just picked 10-20 random nations and suddenly their card had value.

See no. Then you have those nations that never do cards. I say take the top 250 or 500 for cards and enter them into a raffle. Pull 15 or so and bam! you got your Mythic's. And besides, one more rank wont hurt anything. I am sure we could live without Ultra-Rare, yet we have it anyway. This is for the fun of it. So make fun of it. (NOt LiKe ThAt)

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Postby Obuba » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:08 pm

DavanteAdams wrote:
Cirrus Azale wrote:
So we’re looking at Koem Kab, The Northern Light, 9003, and Giovanniland all getting there cards to mythic rarity throughout seasons? I think it’d be cool if you just picked 10-20 random nations and suddenly their card had value.
I am sure we could live without Ultra-Rare, yet we have it anyway.


If that's true, send me yours please. I'm sure you could live without them just fine.

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Postby DavanteAdams » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:26 pm

Obuba wrote:
DavanteAdams wrote:I am sure we could live without Ultra-Rare, yet we have it anyway.


If that's true, send me yours please. I'm sure you could live without them just fine.

Matterafact I could, but that will cost me about 4-5 bank and time. Which I dont feel like wasting.
And besides, I need them for my USA collection.
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:32 pm

Cirrus Azale wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
An auction, [v] sells off one mythic rarity to be given to a nation in s3. The highest bidder wins, and their card will be mythic in the next season?


So we’re looking at Koem Kab, The Northern Light, 9003, and Giovanniland all getting there cards to mythic rarity throughout seasons? I think it’d be cool if you just picked 10-20 random nations and suddenly their card had value.

Hey! I have 10000 bank too!

In fact, I'm the only one to have bought a card for 10000 bank before...

As for this idea, while a new border color would be nice I don't think this really adds any new dynamic to the trading cards game.
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Postby DavanteAdams » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:33 pm

Noahs Second Country wrote:
Cirrus Azale wrote:
So we’re looking at Koem Kab, The Northern Light, 9003, and Giovanniland all getting there cards to mythic rarity throughout seasons? I think it’d be cool if you just picked 10-20 random nations and suddenly their card had value.

Hey! I have 10000 bank too!

In fact, I'm the only one to have bought a card for 10000 bank before...

As for this idea, while a new border color would be nice I don't think this really adds any new dynamic to the trading cards game.


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Postby Cirrus Azale » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:35 pm

Noahs Second Country wrote:
Cirrus Azale wrote:
So we’re looking at Koem Kab, The Northern Light, 9003, and Giovanniland all getting there cards to mythic rarity throughout seasons? I think it’d be cool if you just picked 10-20 random nations and suddenly their card had value.

Hey! I have 10000 bank too!

In fact, I'm the only one to have bought a card for 10000 bank before...

As for this idea, while a new border color would be nice I don't think this really adds any new dynamic to the trading cards game.

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Postby Holland DS6 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:38 pm

If another rarity is added, then players may not like the idea that there is even more people with a higher rarity then them, and those that get legendary as their card without being a staff member, with badges like a lot of 1%, founder, WA, etc, may not be to pleased with not being guaranteed the highest rarity.
DavanteAdams wrote:See no. Then you have those nations that never do cards. I say take the top 250 or 500 for cards and enter them into a raffle. Pull 15 or so and bam! you got your Mythic's. And besides, one more rank wont hurt anything. I am sure we could live without Ultra-Rare, yet we have it anyway.

Top 250-300 may still have people that may CTE, DOS/DEAT/Ban, doubtful but possible, and so the mythic would be way harder to pull and the big farmers could just buy the first copies found at the beginning for a lot, and inflate those so only they would benefit from said mythic. When this came up in the cards forum, there was a small talk about how so many more cards would be added for S3 and especially with a new rarity, of how much storage on the NS servers would take up, but 10-20 cards shouldn't be to bad. From what Davante said, no, ultra-rare serves a good purpose in the cards' value and the between are for rare and epic, so we, as the overall cards community, wouldn't live with the absence of ultra-rare cards.
Authoritaria-Imperia wrote:But that's the thing — the valuable part of Legendaries is that they're the highest rarity. You couldn't add another rarity on top without devaluing Legendaries significantly — the result would be Legendaries becoming "just another rarity" and Mythic cards taking on the role that Legendaries have now. That would leave us all back where we started.
I agree with Authoritaria-Imperia with that the big farmers would care a lot less on the legendaries that would have been the top interest of a large part of the market, besides the rarity and certain collection market, and people wouldn't probably want to inflate them besides the couple usual cards like Testlandia or Fris, and it wouldn't be so impressive to have all legendaries but not the mythic. Still difficult, but what feels like pointless, and would basically be "just another rarity" like Auth.-Imperia said. The mythics could be people like admins and senior game/forum mods, since they deserve it with the new highest rarity that few others have, and it wouldn't cause too much argument, right? Maybe Luna predicted this from the beginning of S2 with the Glitch Amore nation, but I personally think if mythic was added, it should be a red or a pink like in Glitch Amore, anyone else?
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Postby DavanteAdams » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:38 pm

Cirrus Azale wrote:
Noahs Second Country wrote:Hey! I have 10000 bank too!

In fact, I'm the only one to have bought a card for 10000 bank before...

As for this idea, while a new border color would be nice I don't think this really adds any new dynamic to the trading cards game.

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Out of how many?

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Postby Nooooooooooooooo » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:40 pm

Noahs Second Country wrote:
Cirrus Azale wrote:
So we’re looking at Koem Kab, The Northern Light, 9003, and Giovanniland all getting there cards to mythic rarity throughout seasons? I think it’d be cool if you just picked 10-20 random nations and suddenly their card had value.

Hey! I have 10000 bank too!

In fact, I'm the only one to have bought a card for 10000 bank before...

As for this idea, while a new border color would be nice I don't think this really adds any new dynamic to the trading cards game.

What card did you buy for 10000?
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Postby Obuba » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:41 pm

DavanteAdams wrote:
Obuba wrote:
If that's true, send me yours please. I'm sure you could live without them just fine.

I need them for my USA collection.


DavanteAdams wrote:I am sure we could live without Ultra-Rare, yet we have it anyway.


Hmm.

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Postby Holland DS6 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:44 pm

Nooooooooooooooo wrote:
Noahs Second Country wrote:Hey! I have 10000 bank too!

In fact, I'm the only one to have bought a card for 10000 bank before...

As for this idea, while a new border color would be nice I don't think this really adds any new dynamic to the trading cards game.

What card did you buy for 10000?

This card: https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 5/season=2
It was at exactly 1,000 value before, one of the 7 cards beating my top card which I bought for 1 and has a value of 870 :p
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:50 pm

DavanteAdams wrote:
Cirrus Azale wrote:
So we’re looking at Koem Kab, The Northern Light, 9003, and Giovanniland all getting there cards to mythic rarity throughout seasons? I think it’d be cool if you just picked 10-20 random nations and suddenly their card had value.

See no. Then you have those nations that never do cards. I say take the top 250 or 500 for cards and enter them into a raffle. Pull 15 or so and bam! you got your Mythic's. And besides, one more rank wont hurt anything. I am sure we could live without Ultra-Rare, yet we have it anyway. This is for the fun of it. So make fun of it. (NOt LiKe ThAt)

What does it matter if they don’t do cards? It’s injecting value and life into the cards economy, and I may not be as in to cards as you, but I certainly am older and have a understanding of it.
1 more rank will hurt it, because the staff don’t get top tier anymore, and stats have less purpose if it’s impossible to get the highest tier.
The idea is never going to work. It’s inflation to the economy, and why do we need that? Why do we need another rank? I fail to see the OPs argument as to why we should ha e a mythic tier.
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Postby Obuba » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:04 pm

Mathuvan Union wrote:
DavanteAdams wrote:See no. Then you have those nations that never do cards. I say take the top 250 or 500 for cards and enter them into a raffle. Pull 15 or so and bam! you got your Mythic's. And besides, one more rank wont hurt anything. I am sure we could live without Ultra-Rare, yet we have it anyway. This is for the fun of it. So make fun of it. (NOt LiKe ThAt)

What does it matter if they don’t do cards? It’s injecting value and life into the cards economy, and I may not be as in to cards as you, but I certainly am older and have a understanding of it.
1 more rank will hurt it, because the staff don’t get top tier anymore, and stats have less purpose if it’s impossible to get the highest tier.
The idea is never going to work. It’s inflation to the economy, and why do we need that? Why do we need another rank? I fail to see the OPs argument as to why we should ha e a mythic tier.


Based and economics-pilled.

OP hasn't taken the inflation pill, but they have taken the bog pill. Adding another rank above that of Legendary will disrupt its market value. Maybe that's their intention all along?

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Postby Cirrus Azale » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:27 pm

From what I’ve seen here, a card rarity above Legendary would harm the card economy, but I do think that a card rarity between Uncommon and Rare or between Ultra-Rare and Epic could be cool, the former being the one I’d want. Most of the people on the supporting end of this would enjoy the novelty of it, myself included. The reason I like the Uncommon-Rare rarity is because a lot of people try to get their stats high for cards, and I think a rarity between that could offer something more to achieve, though it might be seen as an added stepping stone. Thoughts on this?
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Postby Comfed » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:31 am

We don’t need an additional rarity. The current system is fine. What I’m worried about is all the card farming puppets which would flood the market with commons.
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Postby Giovanniland » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:40 am

Authoritaria-Imperia wrote:But that's the thing — the valuable part of Legendaries is that they're the highest rarity. You couldn't add another rarity on top without devaluing Legendaries significantly — the result would be Legendaries becoming "just another rarity" and Mythic cards taking on the role that Legendaries have now. That would leave us all back where we started.
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These two comments sum up my opinion. There's no point in adding another rarity, and if we did add a Mythic or whatever I can see this exact same discussion to add yet another rarity happening a year after or so.
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Postby Free Las Pinas » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:43 am

Alternatively, how about a card rarity even lower than common cards?

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Postby Mathuvan Union » Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:12 am

Obuba wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:What does it matter if they don’t do cards? It’s injecting value and life into the cards economy, and I may not be as in to cards as you, but I certainly am older and have a understanding of it.
1 more rank will hurt it, because the staff don’t get top tier anymore, and stats have less purpose if it’s impossible to get the highest tier.
The idea is never going to work. It’s inflation to the economy, and why do we need that? Why do we need another rank? I fail to see the OPs argument as to why we should ha e a mythic tier.


Based and economics-pilled.

OP hasn't taken the inflation pill, but they have taken the bog pill. Adding another rank above that of Legendary will disrupt its market value. Maybe that's their intention all along?

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