N-Day to coincide with Yom Kippur

[East Blepia]

It makes a great deal of difference. It's like scheduling some very important assembly (e.g. a town meeting) for Christmas Day. It's totally disrespectful to Jews.

And now I just think you are really overstating the importance of N-Day.

It's still a bad thing. They could have had some consideration, they could have scheduled it for last weekend or next weekend, they could have had some respect.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Participating in N-Day is completely voluntary, so you could just not join a faction (and therefore stay out of it) until you're done with your religious obligations.

Pretty much this.

As for non-Jewish NS players, I don't really see any issues.

To the Jewish players, Happy Yom Kippur(?).

[East Blepia]

It makes a great deal of difference. It's like scheduling some very important assembly (e.g. a town meeting) for Christmas Day. It's totally disrespectful to Jews.

Oh come on, now you're stretching it. If N-Day being on Yom Kippur is that disrespectful to you, don't play it. This isn't a mandatory function you have to attend to, you can completely skip it if you want.

It's still a once-in-a-year observance and they could have had consideration for Jews.

[The New California Republic]

Sorry but there are religious holidays/festivals etc throughout the year. It is just not reasonable to expect NS to try to avoid all of them. There will inevitably be clashes with events here and there, so folk just need to deal with it.

Hey mate. I get that your real-life experience is probably rather limited. [...] There is literally no harm to you here, so the only thing that can be concluded is that you want the event to clash with Yom Kippur.

Lolwut. Wow, what a really weird response.

[Tranzoria]

Participating in N-Day is completely voluntary, so you could just not join a faction (and therefore stay out of it) until you're done with your religious obligations.

Pretty much this.

As for non-Jewish NS players, I don't really see any issues.

To the Jewish players, Happy Yom Kippur(?).

תודה!
Thanks!

[Honeydewistania]

How am I so ignorant that when I clicked this I thought it was about the October War?

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

And now I just think you are really overstating the importance of N-Day.

It's still a bad thing. They could have had some consideration, they could have scheduled it for last weekend or next weekend, they could have had some respect.

Actually, N-Day normally happens around this time. It's been that way for the past 5 years. Rescheduling would then theoretically be breaking tradition as well (not saying that it is more important than Yom Kippur, however).

[Guy]

It makes a great deal of difference. It's like scheduling some very important assembly (e.g. a town meeting) for Christmas Day. It's totally disrespectful to Jews.

Oh come on, now you're stretching it. If N-Day being on Yom Kippur is that disrespectful to you, don't play it. This isn't a mandatory function you have to attend to, you can completely skip it if you want.

Of course Jewish players can simply skip it, and most will this year!

What's been asked for is that in future years, due to the potential for a clash there, the admin team has regard to the timing of Yom Kippur and try to avoid a clash with N-Day.

Is there any downside to trying to avoid a clash that will mean a lot of players can't be online for N-Day? No, of course not. So it's probably time to stop arguing over this.

[Brettenwald]

Participating in N-Day is completely voluntary, so you could just not join a faction (and therefore stay out of it) until you're done with your religious obligations.

If you want to really observe the holiday and not just use it as an excuse for a family gathering it is going to be an all-day thing.

The point I'm trying to make is that the two events are not mutually exclusive. N-Day starts the morning of the 27th, and according to Google Yom Kippur starts in the evening of the 27th, so you've got a decent chunk of time in which to nuke people.

[East Blepia]

It's still a bad thing. They could have had some consideration, they could have scheduled it for last weekend or next weekend, they could have had some respect.

Actually, N-Day normally happens around this time. It's been that way for the past 5 years. Rescheduling would then theoretically be breaking tradition as well (not saying that it is more important than Yom Kippur, however).

They moved it forward a good deal this year (I think around twelve hours).

[East Blepia]

If you want to really observe the holiday and not just use it as an excuse for a family gathering it is going to be an all-day thing.

The point I'm trying to make is that the two events are not mutually exclusive. N-Day starts the morning of the 27th, and according to Google Yom Kippur starts in the evening of the 27th, so you've got a decent chunk of time in which to nuke people.

N-Day begins at the same time worldwide whereas Yom Kippur depends on local sunrise and sunset times. In some timezones Yom Kippur barely coincides with N-Day or does not coincide at all and in some timezones they coincide completely.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Actually, N-Day normally happens around this time. It's been that way for the past 5 years. Rescheduling would then theoretically be breaking tradition as well (not saying that it is more important than Yom Kippur, however).

They moved it forward a good deal this year (I think around twelve hours).

Fair point.

If you want to really observe the holiday and not just use it as an excuse for a family gathering it is going to be an all-day thing.

The point I'm trying to make is that the two events are not mutually exclusive. N-Day starts the morning of the 27th, and according to Google Yom Kippur starts in the evening of the 27th, so you've got a decent chunk of time in which to nuke people.

I guess this is the best route for Jewish players past Israel.

[Trotterdam]

To the Jewish players, Happy Yom Kippur(?).

It's not supposed to be happy. It's an observance about atoning for your sins by self-denial (mainly fasting, but playing video games is also probably in the "not OK" column).

[Victorious Decepticons]

Every Christmas dinner I've been to has the older folks watching a football game and the younger ones on their phones while we wait to eat. Of course I'm sure that's quite different from Yom Kippur celebrations, but people certainly can find time to play NS during holidays.

Christmas is a celebratory day, so it's not a bad thing to spend most of it doing fun things like watching games (or playing them on the computer).

Yom Kippur is about atonement. It would go against the entire spirit of that idea to play games all day instead of being at least somewhat solemn about it.

That said, these special NS events usually last quite a bit longer than 24 hours to account for all of the time zones, etc., so I'd think there'd be plenty of extra time left to get oneself bombed into oblivion.

[Victorious Decepticons]

Every Christmas dinner I've been to has the older folks watching a football game and the younger ones on their phones while we wait to eat. Of course I'm sure that's quite different from Yom Kippur celebrations, but people certainly can find time to play NS during holidays.

Christmas is a celebratory day, so it's not a bad thing to spend most of it doing fun things like watching games (or playing them on the computer).

Yom Kippur is about atonement. It would go against the entire spirit of that idea to play games instead of being at least somewhat solemn about it.

That said, these special NS events usually last quite a bit longer than 24 hours to account for all of the time zones, etc., so I'd think there'd be plenty of extra time left to get oneself bombed into oblivion.

[Victorious Decepticons]

Accidentally quoted myself when trying to edit, and now I can't delete or edit any of it...

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

To the Jewish players, Happy Yom Kippur(?).

It's not supposed to be happy. It's an observance about atoning for your sins by self-denial (mainly fasting, but playing video games is also probably in the "not OK" column).

Hence my question mark, I was doubtful of whether or not I should have used Happy. Sorry for my ignorance towards the event.

[Brettenwald]

The point I'm trying to make is that the two events are not mutually exclusive. N-Day starts the morning of the 27th, and according to Google Yom Kippur starts in the evening of the 27th, so you've got a decent chunk of time in which to nuke people.

N-Day begins at the same time worldwide whereas Yom Kippur depends on local sunrise and sunset times. In some timezones Yom Kippur barely coincides with N-Day or does not coincide at all and in some timezones they coincide completely.

So if the inability to participate in N-Day is only going to affect a very small portion of the NS user base in actuality compared to your seeming insistence that it affects every Jewish NS player, what's the point of getting so fired up about it?

[The New California Republic]

What's been asked for is that in future years, due to the potential for a clash there, the admin team has regard to the timing of Yom Kippur and try to avoid a clash with N-Day.

It likely won't clash again for at least the next 10 years...

2021 Sept. 16
2022 Oct. 5
2023 Sept. 25
2024 Oct. 12
2025 Oct. 2
2026 Sept. 21
2027 Oct. 11
2028 Sept. 30
2029 Sept. 19
2030 Oct. 7

[Nevertopia]

In my timezone, the final four or five hours depending on sunset are going to coincide with Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism.

This is going to inconvenience a lot of people. In more easterly timezones the majority or even entirety of N-Day could coincide with Yom Kippur, making it not permissible for Jews to participate in N-Day.

Was this considered and the scheduling gone ahead with anyway or did no one consider it at all?

sry bro, dont think it was intentional.

[Brettenwald]

What's been asked for is that in future years, due to the potential for a clash there, the admin team has regard to the timing of Yom Kippur and try to avoid a clash with N-Day.

It likely won't clash again for at least the next 10 years...

2021 Sept. 16
2022 Oct. 5
2023 Sept. 25
2024 Oct. 12
2025 Oct. 2
2026 Sept. 21
2027 Oct. 11
2028 Sept. 30
2029 Sept. 19
2030 Oct. 7

This.

[East Blepia]

What's been asked for is that in future years, due to the potential for a clash there, the admin team has regard to the timing of Yom Kippur and try to avoid a clash with N-Day.

It likely won't clash again for at least the next 10 years...

2021 Sept. 16
2022 Oct. 5
2023 Sept. 25
2024 Oct. 12
2025 Oct. 2
2026 Sept. 21
2027 Oct. 11
2028 Sept. 30
2029 Sept. 19
2030 Oct. 7

Well eventually this issue is going to roll around again and somebody is going to throw a fit. It is best to resolve it now.

[Brettenwald]

It likely won't clash again for at least the next 10 years...

2021 Sept. 16
2022 Oct. 5
2023 Sept. 25
2024 Oct. 12
2025 Oct. 2
2026 Sept. 21
2027 Oct. 11
2028 Sept. 30
2029 Sept. 19
2030 Oct. 7

Well eventually this issue is going to roll around again and somebody is going to throw a fit. It is best to resolve it now.

With all due respect, since the next conceivable conflict is over a decade away this seems like more of a poorly-thought-out attention grab than anything else.

[Side 3]

N-Day begins at the same time worldwide whereas Yom Kippur depends on local sunrise and sunset times. In some timezones Yom Kippur barely coincides with N-Day or does not coincide at all and in some timezones they coincide completely.

You can't expect them to factor in every individual time zone when scheduling N-Day.

Of course Jewish players can simply skip it, and most will this year!

What's been asked for is that in future years, due to the potential for a clash there, the admin team has regard to the timing of Yom Kippur and try to avoid a clash with N-Day.

Is there any downside to trying to avoid a clash that will mean a lot of players can't be online for N-Day? No, of course not. So it's probably time to stop arguing over this.

He's talking about this year's N-Day as much as future N-Days, so I can argue over this for as long as I please. I think you should stop trying to derail the thread and let the rest of discuss this.

[East Blepia]

If the inability to participate in N-Day is only going to affect a very small portion of the NS user base in actuality compared to your seeming insistence that it affects every Jewish NS player, what's the point of getting so fired up about it?

Yom Kippur will coincide with about the final half of N-Day in Eretz Yisrael.