[IDEA] Feeder Warzone

[Jakker]

While feeders have decreased in size since the Drewboom, they are still very large even with sinkers increasing to similar numbers. This idea isn't about just trying to reduce the size of other feeders, but hopefully introduces a new element to the game that excites players from various sides of NS and tries to expand the notion of what a feeder is.

A Feeder Warzone that permanently is the last region to update.

Here are some benefits to this idea:

-Since it will be a warzone, it will not be affected by a lot of stagnant issues that most feeders deal with in terms of immense influence collection.

-Additionally, the warzone aspect will likely deter some players so it won't just become another GCR for people to hold power in forever, but the feeder aspect and it being a new GCR will still bring interest.

-With it being the last region to update, it will not add update issues for R/D. Additionally, because it will update last it will not only spark interest for R/Ders who will likely try to use it as a jump point but also it will make it feel like update time has decreased. While this will not actually be the case, over time, with more nations moving there and less to the other feeders, the regions that will be involved in R/D will all update beforehand and therefore, do so earlier than currently. Also even though it is likely to be used as a jump point for R/D at times, it could also be risky depending on who is in charge of the region.

-It will be a fast-paced environment which might feel a bit more like NS of old. But there is still the possibility that it will eventually become stable like Warzone Sandbox with a lot of endos. I imagine this will take some time and opens up a lot of possibility for player creativity like cool RPing (imagine roleplaying a nation born into a warzone) or creating a bridge between the Warzones and Feeders.

-With it forever staying as the last region to update, it kind of adds a consistent presence in NS that the region can build an identity around like The North Pole or The North Star.

Again, this idea hopes to add a new element of the game that helps us rethink current aspects of NS. It's an idea I've had for a bit and would love to hear others' thoughts/feedback!

[Tolior]

YES

[Fulgornia]

Yes! You do you you crazy bunches and pears! Whatever this idea is, it sounds great!

[Zeritae]

This idea is what NS needs. Will you be taking suggestions for the name of this warzone feeder?

[Jakker]

This idea is what NS needs. Will you be taking suggestions for the name of this warzone feeder?

Thanks for the kind words! If there is enough interest, feel free to share names as well. That probably will one of the last steps.

[Jutsa]

133720x yes, absolutely

[Kingdom Of Casetaria]

While feeders have decreased in size since the Drewboom, they are still very large even with sinkers increasing to similar numbers. This idea isn't about just trying to reduce the size of other feeders, but hopefully introduces a new element to the game that excites players from various sides of NS and tries to expand the notion of what a feeder is.

A Feeder Warzone that permanently is the last region to update.

Here are some benefits to this idea:

-Since it will be a warzone, it will not be affected by a lot of stagnant issues that most feeders deal with in terms of immense influence collection.

-Additionally, the warzone aspect will likely deter some players so it won't just become another GCR for people to hold power in forever, but the feeder aspect and it being a new GCR will still bring interest.

-With it being the last region to update, it will not add update issues for R/D. Additionally, because it will update last it will not only spark interest for R/Ders who will likely try to use it as a jump point but also it will make it feel like update time has decreased. While this will not actually be the case, over time, with more nations moving there and less to the other feeders, the regions that will be involved in R/D will all update beforehand and therefore, do so earlier than currently. Also even though it is likely to be used as a jump point for R/D at times, it could also be risky depending on who is in charge of the region.

-It will be a fast-paced environment which might feel a bit more like NS of old. But there is still the possibility that it will eventually become stable like Warzone Sandbox with a lot of endos. I imagine this will take some time and opens up a lot of possibility for player creativity like cool RPing (imagine roleplaying a nation born into a warzone) or creating a bridge between the Warzones and Feeders.

-With it forever staying as the last region to update, it kind of adds a consistent presence in NS that the region can build an identity around like The North Pole or The North Star.

Again, this idea hopes to add a new element of the game that helps us rethink current aspects of NS. It's an idea I've had for a bit and would love to hear others' thoughts/feedback!

I support this idea

[Drasnia]

This idea is what NS needs. Will you be taking suggestions for the name of this warzone feeder?

Warzone Pacific or The Pacific Warzone I would imagine as it's a feeder.

While feeders have decreased in size since the Drewboom, they are still very large even with sinkers increasing to similar numbers. This idea isn't about just trying to reduce the size of other feeders, but hopefully introduces a new element to the game that excites players from various sides of NS and tries to expand the notion of what a feeder is.

A Feeder Warzone that permanently is the last region to update.

Here are some benefits to this idea:

-Since it will be a warzone, it will not be affected by a lot of stagnant issues that most feeders deal with in terms of immense influence collection.

-Additionally, the warzone aspect will likely deter some players so it won't just become another GCR for people to hold power in forever, but the feeder aspect and it being a new GCR will still bring interest.

-With it being the last region to update, it will not add update issues for R/D. Additionally, because it will update last it will not only spark interest for R/Ders who will likely try to use it as a jump point but also it will make it feel like update time has decreased. While this will not actually be the case, over time, with more nations moving there and less to the other feeders, the regions that will be involved in R/D will all update beforehand and therefore, do so earlier than currently. Also even though it is likely to be used as a jump point for R/D at times, it could also be risky depending on who is in charge of the region.

-It will be a fast-paced environment which might feel a bit more like NS of old. But there is still the possibility that it will eventually become stable like Warzone Sandbox with a lot of endos. I imagine this will take some time and opens up a lot of possibility for player creativity like cool RPing (imagine roleplaying a nation born into a warzone) or creating a bridge between the Warzones and Feeders.

-With it forever staying as the last region to update, it kind of adds a consistent presence in NS that the region can build an identity around like The North Pole or The North Star.

Again, this idea hopes to add a new element of the game that helps us rethink current aspects of NS. It's an idea I've had for a bit and would love to hear others' thoughts/feedback!

My biggest question would be how relevant would it being at the end of update order actually be? It seems to me like it'd be a lot of work to take control of and maintain just to have a slightly better jump point. I'd almost think an update order shuffle would be beneficial if this theoretical region were to be created as it would make it politically and militarily more attractive.

[Jakker]

My biggest question would be how relevant would it being at the end of update order actually be? It seems to me like it'd be a lot of work to take control of and maintain just to have a slightly better jump point. I'd almost think an update order shuffle would be beneficial if this theoretical region were to be created as it would make it politically and militarily more attractive.

Yeah possibly. It being last isn't necessarily needed, but I thought it would add another unique characteristic that the region can use in their branding/culture and it would also help make update feel a bit shorter for those who participate in R/D updates since the time it would take for the other GCRs to update will decrease a bit over time. Some organizations, especially younger ones, may see value in trying to maintain it for a JP. I think there is also value in it not just being used for one as well, so a community could flourish as well in time. It would be kind of cool for it to have multiple possibilities. Maybe it is used for military operations at times, but it also has potential for other region-building aspects.

[Dyllonia]

-With it forever staying as the last region to update, it kind of adds a consistent presence in NS that the region can build an identity around like The North Pole or The North Star.

Awwww, that sounds really cute! If this idea takes flight, I would absolutely love to see this little culture develop. Love the idea!

[Tolior]

Since it would be different and kind of like a north pole with being liast to update what about the Arctic Warzone or Atlantic warzone

[Aivintis]

Absolutely! It could add a fresh gameplay experience to spice up NS a little more and could bridge the gap between traditional GCRs and Warzones, which are usually not really considered by a lot to be "real GCRs" due to their small size and unpredictability. Either way, I'd totally be interested in something like this.

[Aivintis]

Since it would be different and kind of like a north pole with being liast to update what about the Arctic Warzone or Atlantic warzone

I think it'd be a lot easier if it related to the other Warzones and/or Feeders. Like Warzone Pacific, Pacific Warzone, or something similar, as others have suggested.

[Dollystana]

Love this idea (even though I dont like the idea-maker) but I have a name suggestion. Maybe it could be Warzone Pacific since the Feeders are all called Pacific?

[Drop Your Pants]

If it was at the end of update it'd just end up as a major pile clusterfuck. Recent raider piles have demonstrated that they have the numbers to completely out do defenders when they want. How would this be any different?

Basically, if raiders hold it then defenders will never use it and vice versa. Whats the point of using a JP that the delegate might decide to kick you out of suddenly and miss your jump? And what about regions like Lily, who do very fast tagging? They'll get reported for RH spam in a GCR daily.

Honestly, sounds more like TBH wants a feeder of their own than anything else.

[Jakker]

If it was at the end of update it'd just end up as a major pile clusterfuck. Recent raider piles have demonstrated that they have the numbers to completely out do defenders when they want. How would this be any different?

Basically, if raiders hold it then defenders will never use it and vice versa. Whats the point of using a JP that the delegate might decide to kick you out of suddenly and miss your jump? And what about regions like Lily, who do very fast tagging? They'll get reported for RH spam in a GCR daily.

Honestly, sounds more like TBH wants a feeder of their own than anything else.

There are logistics to consider for an org to use the region as a JP, but it is doable. And I'll refer you to my earlier post below about updating late being more than just for the purposes of a possible JP. And to answer your concern about piling, you can ask any active defender. If the region became a pile-off outside of update, defenders will have higher numbers. Defenders took over Balder and Osiris and it is probably likely that they would do so again with this.

My biggest question would be how relevant would it being at the end of update order actually be? It seems to me like it'd be a lot of work to take control of and maintain just to have a slightly better jump point. I'd almost think an update order shuffle would be beneficial if this theoretical region were to be created as it would make it politically and militarily more attractive.

Yeah possibly. It being last isn't necessarily needed, but I thought it would add another unique characteristic that the region can use in their branding/culture and it would also help make update feel a bit shorter for those who participate in R/D updates since the time it would take for the other GCRs to update will decrease a bit over time. Some organizations, especially younger ones, may see value in trying to maintain it for a JP. I think there is also value in it not just being used for one as well, so a community could flourish as well in time. It would be kind of cool for it to have multiple possibilities. Maybe it is used for military operations at times, but it also has potential for other region-building aspects.

[Refuge Isle]

If it was at the end of update it'd just end up as a major pile clusterfuck. Recent raider piles have demonstrated that they have the numbers to completely out do defenders when they want. How would this be any different?

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Honestly, sounds more like TBH wants a feeder of their own than anything else.

Perhaps you would be more satisfied if it were the first updating region.

[Morover]

Support - though I think the idea of it updating first does hold some merit.

[Yokiria]

Name ideas:

"Creation" if it updates first.
"End of the World" if it updates last.

[Reploid Productions]

Name ideas:

"Creation" if it updates first.
"End of the World" if it updates last.

Why not both? >_>

[Flanderlion]

Seems pointless for it to be a Feeder/Sinker. Should just be a GCR that's guaranteed to be the last region to update.

[The Opossum]

Seems pointless for it to be a Feeder/Sinker. Should just be a GCR that's guaranteed to be the last region to update.

Au contraire. The region should be a combination of all the GCRs: a feeder+sinker+warzone+rejected-realm that is the first and last region to update.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Going to go against what most are saying here and imo it really doesn't sound like a particularly compelling idea.

For the first few weeks after the region is founded, it'd be a massive gimmick and would become a constant battle between raiders and defenders to maintain control of the region.

From here it goes one of two ways - it either becomes a stable, established warzone like Warzone Sandbox is currently, which would make the whole "feeder warzone" idea pointless because it really wouldn't be any different to any of the other feeder regions. I personally think this is very unlikely.

What seems much more likely is that either a coalition of raider or defender organisations capture and hold it, and it becomes a permanent, perfectly last-updating jump point, complete with all the free recruitment that comes with being a feeder region. With no influence costs, it becomes basically impossible to capture from whatever organisation holds the region once their presence is established.

Given recent R/D operations, it seems likely that a coalition of raiding organisations would have greater numbers available than defenders right now to try and take the region, and of course considering this, the whole idea makes perfect sense given it's coming from a very senior member of TBH.

[Refuge Isle]

What seems much more likely is that either a coalition of raider or defender organisations capture and hold it, and it becomes a permanent, perfectly last-updating jump point, complete with all the free recruitment that comes with being a feeder region. With no influence costs, it becomes basically impossible to capture from whatever organisation holds the region once their presence is established.

Given recent R/D operations, it seems likely that a coalition of raiding organisations would have greater numbers available than defenders right now to try and take the region, and of course considering this, the whole idea makes perfect sense given it's coming from a very senior member of TBH.

Perhaps you would be more satisfied if it were the first updating region.

Regardless, the idea of a feeder warzone certainly considers the complaints that feeders are now unreasonably coup-resistant due to influence.

Naturally, I'm still partial to the idea that TRR should repeatedly update after every other GCR for limitless coup potential, but as Sarah is now delegate, this is surely the next best thing.

[Flanderlion]

Given recent R/D operations, it seems likely that a coalition of raiding organisations would have greater numbers available than defenders right now to try and take the region, and of course considering this, the whole idea makes perfect sense given it's coming from a very senior member of TBH.

And essentially only supported by members of TBH. The idea of having a neutral region always at the end of update I actually don't mind, just the Feeder suggestion bundled in seems like something they've been trying to push for literally years at this point. There is still no case for a new Feeder bar TBH wanting one for themselves. We (as in rest of NS bar TBH and co) have wall of texted why there isn't much point of more Feeders for years, so won't do it again in this thread, and will focus on the good points of this.

If there is a neutral warzone at the end of update (either by relocating the Warzone update times to the start and end of update or creating a new one), it removes some of the reasons to not shuffle update.