How Much Influence Is Needed To Set A Regional Password?

[Eastern Tatarstan]

Well, I think that the question is pretty clear. What is the exact ammount of influence needed by a regional officer to set a regional password? It always sais "more than 100%" but the exact value is a secret to me.

[Aclion]

Well, I think that the question is pretty clear. What is the exact ammount of influence needed by a regional officer to set a regional password? It always sais "more than 100%" but the exact value is a secret to me.

It depends, but for you nothing, because you're the founder.

[SherpDaWerp]

As Aclion said, because you're the founder, it's free.

But if another Regional Officer or the WA Delegate decides they want to do it, it's 40 influence per nation for a secret password.

Without residents know password it's 40 multiply the nation's in region as long as you have at least around 400 influence

[Eastern Tatarstan]

As Aclion said, because you're the founder, it's free.

But if another Regional Officer or the WA Delegate decides they want to do it, it's 40 influence per nation for a secret password.

Without residents know password it's 40 multiply the nation's in region as long as you have at least around 400 influence

So for a secret password in a region of 3 nations I would need 520 influence?

[The Ambassadors Reception]

As Aclion said, because you're the founder, it's free.

But if another Regional Officer or the WA Delegate decides they want to do it, it's 40 influence per nation for a secret password.

So for a secret password in a region of 3 nations I would need 520 influence?

No. If there are 1 to 10 nations, a secret password would cost you 400. 11 nations would cost you 440, 12 cost 480 etc.

[SherpDaWerp]

Not quite. You neet to have a minimum of 400 influence, but passwording a 1-nation region will cost 40 of that influence. It doesn't cost you the entire 400, it just requires you to have the 400 in the first place.

[Wolfram and Hart]

Not quite. You neet to have a minimum of 400 influence, but passwording a 1-nation region will cost 40 of that influence. It doesn't cost you the entire 400, it just requires you to have the 400 in the first place.

Mmn. I'm not convinced. Here's an example of a not-secret password, (which is supposed to cost half a secret password)

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=wol ... ensusid=65

You can see in February 2018 that the influence of this nation drops by 200. This was when I passworded the region with a visible password.

If you click the "all" button on this history chart for the region, you can see that there were fewer than ten nations present at the time.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=regio ... m_and_hart

So the cost in that case was the full 200, and not 20 per nation present. I'd be very surprised if secret passwords functioned differently.

That's consistent with what August found (see section 4 of this dispatch)

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=968137

(Note that August thinks costs are doubled for ROs vs Delegates. I don't think I've ever seen evidence to prove or disprove that. It would be interesting to know for sure)

Edit: I'm curious as to where you got your information from. Was this something you saw first hand?

[SherpDaWerp]

My information isn't first-hand, it's just something I found 3 pages deep in a google search about how much influence it costs... Happy to be proven wrong by a more complete set of numbers.

It seems to me like the rule of 40 per nation still applied in that scenario, however. On that day, Feb 10, you lost 200 influence to password a region of (at the time) 5 nations. 40 times 5 is 200, so that's consistent. Although, you didn't have 400 influence at the time, so that part of the rule may not apply.

Now, consider. If that's the cost for a secret password (40 per nation), then you can divide that by 2 for a visible password (20 per nation) but multiply it by 2 again, because your nation was an RO at the time, not founder or delegate (for a final total of 40 per nation).

So it looks to me like:

• Delegate placing Visible Password: 20 per nation
• RO placing Visible Password: 40 per nation
• Delegate placing Invisible Password: 40 per nation
• RO placing Invisible Password: 80 per nation

with a possible unknown minimum level for influence beforehand. This seems to match up with your data as well as August's dispatch and Borovan's original post.

[Wolfram and Hart]

Makes sense. I take my hat off to your superior logic! I'll try to find another test case to confirm.

[August]

When I wrote that dispatch almost four years ago, I tested the password costs myself. I am certain they were correct at the time, but it does seem now that the costs are not doubled for ROs.

My wording about the cost minimum was unclear. I said it was 400 (implying an invisible password), but more specifically there is a minimum cost of 10 nations, whatever that may be. For example, if a delegate is setting a visible password, the per-nation cost is 20 and the minimum is 200. If a delegate is setting an invisible password, the per-nation cost is 40 and the minimum is 400. If there are anywhere from one to ten nations in the region, the cost is the same.

Fixing SherpDaWerp's table...
Delegate placing a visible password: 20 per nation, min 200
RO placing a visible password: 20 per nation, min 200
Delegate placing an invisible password: 40 per nation, min 400
RO placing an invisible password: 40 per nation, min 400

I will update my dispatch accordingly. Thank you for pointing this out.