by Bhutantan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:24 am
by Pooshland » Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:30 am
by Lillorainen » Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:31 am
by Vivolkha » Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:37 am
by Gandoor » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:52 am
by Pooshland » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:55 am
Gandoor wrote:wow guys a satirical game uses exaggerated descriptions of your nation's government category
by Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:56 am
"For a vast majority of its existence, mankind dreamed to reach the stars. Yet today, reaching the stars is made a reality through joint endeavor."
- Operations Director of the T.I.A., Hilbert Lachlan Silverwell
by Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:56 am
by Deacarsia » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:57 am
Bhutantan wrote:This is an improvement suggestion of the WA categories description for the more economic liberal that aren't authoritarian-in-nature nations.
Let me explain:
The various economic liberal (also known as capitalist) categories have a description that makes the specific nation that just recently switched category to feel guilty for making its economy more open, for example, if I made the switch to the Capitalizt category and that means my country has high social freedom and also economic one, making it a very openly free and prospering nation, well it seems not so much:
The Capitalizt category description is: "Citizens enjoy some of the most opulent lifestyles in the region, unless they are unemployed or working-class, in which case they are variously starving to death or crippled by easily preventable diseases."
Well, who exactly decided that my nation makes the poor crumble to death and be starving, just because I opened the markets?
Not every libertarian nation is without welfare funding, high income gap between the rich and the poor and without public healthcare, actually there are various nations that have this category but they are prospering nations with extremely high HDI and lifespan, which means that the poor that are the majority of population, are not starving to death. Yeah, I realized that the writer of the WA categories wanted to make this one feel comic, and that NationStates isn't a serious nation simulator, just for us to have fun, although we spend a lot of time on making the issues work for us and what we want.
But that's just the only one, right? No.
Capitalist Bordello category, which is about having high political and high economical freedoms, suffers from the same description:
"Citizens are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like."
Citizens with high political freedom, can actually protest and vote against this kind of government, especially if the poor are starving to death without no help.
Yes, it also some of the comical nature of the WA categories, that are meant to exaggerate our management of the utopia nation we worked so hard, and then we get this shame description, but it's just a game, why take it so hard, every category has something that makes it horrible, right? right? No.
Let's try their counterparts on the more restrictive economic policies, like the liberal democratic socialists or the Scandinavian liberal paradise,
the description for the liberal demsoc, which is the counter economic category of Capitalist Bordello is:
"Citizens love a good election, and the government gives them plenty of them. Universities tend to be full of students debating the merits of various civil and political rights, while businesses are tightly regulated and the wealthy viewed with suspicion. "
Oh what can I tell! Heaven upon earth, there is nothing wrong with the nation of that category it seems, everyone are happy and prosperous, not single word about suffering and the best part is that as socialists they are "suspicious of businesses", but everything with the economy is just fine.
Wait, you thought this is good, just wait to see the counterpart of the Capitalizt category, that is named Scandinavian paradise (reminder that Scandinavian countries have actually very pro-business approach), but that obviously comic, and the description is just paradise:
"Citizens enjoy extensive civil rights and enjoy a level of social equality free from the usual accompanying government corruption. "
Well, it seems NationStates has decided that the Scandinavian paradise category is plain perfect. They enjoy magnificent rights, have social equality and even they decided that nations of this category have no government corruption?!.
Yes, now I'm sure that there is discrimination, and having your country limiting business to an inch, makes your country utopia (that is part of the description of the left-wing utopia if you wondered). Having high economic freedom makes your people suffer, having low makes everything prosperous , and even though the economic management of nations is badly mentioned in these libertarian categories, the socialist categories see no such description, like bad economic management because of lack of business (reminder they are limited in inches) and people starving.
in conclusion, What I ask, is not to penalize the more economic restrictive categories' description, but to change the high economic ones, like capitalizt and bordello to have way more positive, speaking about great rights of businesses and people.
I believe I'm not the only one asking for it, and there are plenty of nations that made their country a paradise, but belong to the wrong category.
I appreciate the NationStates community and management, its transparency and of course this great game as whole.
by Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:58 am
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:The game has to have a certain amount of realism, sorry.
"For a vast majority of its existence, mankind dreamed to reach the stars. Yet today, reaching the stars is made a reality through joint endeavor."
- Operations Director of the T.I.A., Hilbert Lachlan Silverwell
by Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:59 am
Deacarsia wrote:Bhutantan wrote:This is an improvement suggestion of the WA categories description for the more economic liberal that aren't authoritarian-in-nature nations.
Let me explain:
The various economic liberal (also known as capitalist) categories have a description that makes the specific nation that just recently switched category to feel guilty for making its economy more open, for example, if I made the switch to the Capitalizt category and that means my country has high social freedom and also economic one, making it a very openly free and prospering nation, well it seems not so much:
The Capitalizt category description is: "Citizens enjoy some of the most opulent lifestyles in the region, unless they are unemployed or working-class, in which case they are variously starving to death or crippled by easily preventable diseases."
Well, who exactly decided that my nation makes the poor crumble to death and be starving, just because I opened the markets?
Not every libertarian nation is without welfare funding, high income gap between the rich and the poor and without public healthcare, actually there are various nations that have this category but they are prospering nations with extremely high HDI and lifespan, which means that the poor that are the majority of population, are not starving to death. Yeah, I realized that the writer of the WA categories wanted to make this one feel comic, and that NationStates isn't a serious nation simulator, just for us to have fun, although we spend a lot of time on making the issues work for us and what we want.
But that's just the only one, right? No.
Capitalist Bordello category, which is about having high political and high economical freedoms, suffers from the same description:
"Citizens are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like."
Citizens with high political freedom, can actually protest and vote against this kind of government, especially if the poor are starving to death without no help.
Yes, it also some of the comical nature of the WA categories, that are meant to exaggerate our management of the utopia nation we worked so hard, and then we get this shame description, but it's just a game, why take it so hard, every category has something that makes it horrible, right? right? No.
Let's try their counterparts on the more restrictive economic policies, like the liberal democratic socialists or the Scandinavian liberal paradise,
the description for the liberal demsoc, which is the counter economic category of Capitalist Bordello is:
"Citizens love a good election, and the government gives them plenty of them. Universities tend to be full of students debating the merits of various civil and political rights, while businesses are tightly regulated and the wealthy viewed with suspicion. "
Oh what can I tell! Heaven upon earth, there is nothing wrong with the nation of that category it seems, everyone are happy and prosperous, not single word about suffering and the best part is that as socialists they are "suspicious of businesses", but everything with the economy is just fine.
Wait, you thought this is good, just wait to see the counterpart of the Capitalizt category, that is named Scandinavian paradise (reminder that Scandinavian countries have actually very pro-business approach), but that obviously comic, and the description is just paradise:
"Citizens enjoy extensive civil rights and enjoy a level of social equality free from the usual accompanying government corruption. "
Well, it seems NationStates has decided that the Scandinavian paradise category is plain perfect. They enjoy magnificent rights, have social equality and even they decided that nations of this category have no government corruption?!.
Yes, now I'm sure that there is discrimination, and having your country limiting business to an inch, makes your country utopia (that is part of the description of the left-wing utopia if you wondered). Having high economic freedom makes your people suffer, having low makes everything prosperous , and even though the economic management of nations is badly mentioned in these libertarian categories, the socialist categories see no such description, like bad economic management because of lack of business (reminder they are limited in inches) and people starving.
in conclusion, What I ask, is not to penalize the more economic restrictive categories' description, but to change the high economic ones, like capitalizt and bordello to have way more positive, speaking about great rights of businesses and people.
I believe I'm not the only one asking for it, and there are plenty of nations that made their country a paradise, but belong to the wrong category.
I appreciate the NationStates community and management, its transparency and of course this great game as whole.
I wholeheartedly agree.
by Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:59 am
by Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:01 am
"For a vast majority of its existence, mankind dreamed to reach the stars. Yet today, reaching the stars is made a reality through joint endeavor."
- Operations Director of the T.I.A., Hilbert Lachlan Silverwell
by Voxija » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:05 am
by Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:06 am
Voxija wrote:I know some people who would want the description for, say, Conservative Democracy to mention how moral the people are instead of emphasizing the low civil rights.
"For a vast majority of its existence, mankind dreamed to reach the stars. Yet today, reaching the stars is made a reality through joint endeavor."
- Operations Director of the T.I.A., Hilbert Lachlan Silverwell
by Federal Sol » Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:12 am
Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:Voxija wrote:I know some people who would want the description for, say, Conservative Democracy to mention how moral the people are instead of emphasizing the low civil rights.
Moralistic Democracy as well
I want Iron Fist Socialists to become more negative in description, Libertarian Police State as well
by Deacarsia » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:29 pm
by Merconitonitopia » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:31 pm
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:"we're being demonised!" says the right-wing UTOPIA
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