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Beta 012: Tourism

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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:28 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Vivolkha wrote:The Tourism boost from having a high Environmental Beauty has long been admitted to be excessive. Full support for this beta. I really don't know what "national personality" means though (Ideological Radicality? A hidden stat?).
I'm guessing stuff like Niceness.

Maybe culture and safety play a bigger role, since those two factors would make a nation suitable for tourists.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:35 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Trotterdam wrote:I'm guessing stuff like Niceness.

Maybe culture and safety play a bigger role, since those two factors would make a nation suitable for tourists.

Crime presumably

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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:45 am

Lord Dominator wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Maybe culture and safety play a bigger role, since those two factors would make a nation suitable for tourists.

Crime presumably

That too, since it's related to safety.
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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:15 am

Outer Sparta wrote:Maybe culture and safety play a bigger role, since those two factors would make a nation suitable for tourists.
Maybe, but the beta describes the new calculation as considering "environmental beauty, culture, safety, and national personality". It doesn't say in which proportion those are factored, only that all four of those are included, and that "national personality", whatever that is, is listed separately from culture and safety.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:29 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Maybe culture and safety play a bigger role, since those two factors would make a nation suitable for tourists.
Maybe, but the beta describes the new calculation as considering "environmental beauty, culture, safety, and national personality". It doesn't say in which proportion those are factored, only that all four of those are included, and that "national personality", whatever that is, is listed separately from culture and safety.

Environmental beauty is still considered but there's less weight on that rating with the beta right?
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:03 pm

Right.
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Postby Noir Vic » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:20 am

I still fail to see how countries strong in all of those weighted areas are still taking big hits. While environmental beauty may be weighted heavily, it is almost always when travelling for leisure or pleasure. Perhaps we should distinguish tourism for pleasure and business travel. With the two being separate countries that went towards greener pastures keep their tourism, but nations that went and supported exploiting resources and big business, get their travel and tourism benefits and the recognition for planning international economy.
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Postby Merconitonitopia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:59 pm

Noir Vic wrote:I still fail to see how countries strong in all of those weighted areas are still taking big hits.

There is a general across-the-board decline in tourism in high-tourism nations.

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Postby Aclion » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:02 pm

Noir Vic wrote:I still fail to see how countries strong in all of those weighted areas are still taking big hits. While environmental beauty may be weighted heavily, it is almost always when travelling for leisure or pleasure. Perhaps we should distinguish tourism for pleasure and business travel. With the two being separate countries that went towards greener pastures keep their tourism, but nations that went and supported exploiting resources and big business, get their travel and tourism benefits and the recognition for planning international economy.

I don't think business travel is tracked as tourism.
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Postby 01101100 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:09 pm

I think it's weird that nations with no environmental beauty, no culture, outlawed civil/political rights and near zero tourism currently (like Tim-Opolis) are seeing 10,000% increases under the proposed new calculation. I think the new calculation might be over-weighting low crime.

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Postby Awesomeland012345 » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:47 pm

what is the tourism factor based off of now?
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Postby Leutria » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:13 pm

Awesomeland012345 wrote:what is the tourism factor based off of now?

The same factors, but with environmental beauty by far having the strongest effect.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:32 am

This change appears to have slashed the charmlessness stat for the world by about 70%.
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