[GAME IDEA] Invest in other people's economies.

[Fulford]

We have the in game currency due to cards and trading. You can junk / scrap your cards for cash, right?

Use this currency to invest in economies.

Lets say you invest in my economy which is at 38/100 for 38.
And it rose to 57. You would get 57 from the 38 you invested.

[Americastrailia]

So basically, a stock market where you buy shares of other countries? That would fit nicely with the Jennifer Government theme, but my guess is it is more work than it's worth for Admin.

But supposing they are open to the idea, I have a couple questions:

1. Players can have multiple nations, and the effects of most issues are roughly known. While it is amusing to think of players purposely screwing their investors over by driving their economies to the ground, this comes with the exploit that players can just invest in themselves and make tons of bank. How would you prevent this?

2. What happens if I invest in a nation that CTE's later? Do I get my initial investment back? Do I keep my share in this non-existent nation, and hope they come back? Or is my share just converted to bank?

3. How would shares work? Is there a limit per nation? How is this different from the cards, which already models a stock market pretty well?

[USS Monitor]

I think card-game bank should stay separate from national economic stats.

[9003]

If bank (card monies) is linked to economy it breaks one of the largest NationStates tenets the fact that there's no wrong way to play. Those who strive for a lower economy would be punished and those who go for a higher econmy would than have an advantage on the card market. While interesting it gives a right way to play

[46566]

What about something along the lines of debt? Each nation could determine how much debt they want to buy by inputting a percentage based on their GDP numbers. Do we have a number calculated for government shortfall or surplus? We can have it regional based and world based if possible.

[Bears Armed]

Do we have a number calculated for government shortfall or surplus?

No.

[Marxist Germany]

What about something along the lines of debt? Each nation could determine how much debt they want to buy by inputting a percentage based on their GDP numbers. Do we have a number calculated for government shortfall or surplus? We can have it regional based and world based if possible.

Governments in NS tax as much as they spend.

[Borovan entered the region as he]

Bad idea over long run in RL the market rises while recessions have their effect investors will always grow the money long haul. Investing in NS economic stats r dumb as stats can go anywhere from powerhouse to basket case it doesn't simulate RL stock market

[Marxist Germany]

Bad idea over long run in RL the market rises while recessions have their effect investors will always grow the money long haul. Investing in NS economic stats r dumb as stats can go anywhere from powerhouse to basket case it doesn't simulate RL stock market

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[46566]

What about something along the lines of debt? Each nation could determine how much debt they want to buy by inputting a percentage based on their GDP numbers. Do we have a number calculated for government shortfall or surplus? We can have it regional based and world based if possible.

Governments in NS tax as much as they spend.

I figured we have a taxation stat and a freedom from taxation stat calculated.i for some reason thought how it could be used in a formula for money gained from tax(either income or other forms of tax) the only problem would be the amount of people working. Though it could be determined by employment maybe.

[The New California Republic]

We have the in game currency due to cards and trading. You can junk / scrap your cards for cash, right?

Use this currency to invest in economies.

Lets say you invest in my economy which is at 38/100 for 38.
And it rose to 57. You would get 57 from the 38 you invested.

No, as it'd fundamentally disadvantage players that don't participate in card trading.

[Odinburgh]

Had the same idea but it be more like a stat boost. A nation could send request for one of their Stat areas. If agreed but yours and their stats would double both combining rating in any Stat area. Say I have defense score of 2000 and this other guy has 25000. That would be added together and reflected at both nations. However there could be a flaw in that approach but I have no idea.

[Bears Armed]

Had the same idea but it be more like a stat boost. A nation could send request for one of their Stat areas. If agreed but yours and their stats would double both combining rating in any Stat area. Say I have defense score of 2000 and this other guy has 25000. That would be added together and reflected at both nations. However their could be flaw in that approach but I have no idea.

Puppets.

[Odinburgh]

Had the same idea but it be more like a stat boost. A nation could send request for one of their Stat areas. If agreed but yours and their stats would double both combining rating in any Stat area. Say I have defense score of 2000 and this other guy has 25000. That would be added together and reflected at both nations. However their could be flaw in that approach but I have no idea.

Puppets.

Exactly. Unless only done with WA nations.

[The New California Republic]

Puppets.

Exactly. Unless only done with WA nations.

And again it'd be seen as punishing players that don't have/want WA membership and/or don't play the card game by creating a two-tier system of stats that can be attained, as inevitably nations that have WA membership and play the card game will be able to attain higher stats than those who don't.

[Marxist Germany]

Exactly. Unless only done with WA nations.

And again it'd be seen as punishing players that don't have/want WA membership and/or don't play the card game by creating a two-tier system of stats that can be attained, as inevitably nations that have WA membership and play the card game will be able to attain higher stats than those who don't.

Technically speaking, WA nations do have an advantage already since resolutions can alter stats.

[The New California Republic]

And again it'd be seen as punishing players that don't have/want WA membership and/or don't play the card game by creating a two-tier system of stats that can be attained, as inevitably nations that have WA membership and play the card game will be able to attain higher stats than those who don't.

Technically speaking, WA nations do have an advantage already since resolutions can alter stats.

Yes but marginally. What was just proposed would involve dumping a major boost into a single stat. And WA decisions are dispersed over a large number of people, whereas what is proposed here could be done with puppets.

[Odinburgh]

Exactly. Unless only done with WA nations.

And again it'd be seen as punishing players that don't have/want WA membership and/or don't play the card game by creating a two-tier system of stats that can be attained, as inevitably nations that have WA membership and play the card game will be able to attain higher stats than those who don't.

True on that. Not sure even small percentage would work without puppets really having an advantage as it would only be a small fraction which done without being WA nation or not.

[Land Without Shrimp]

And again it'd be seen as punishing players that don't have/want WA membership and/or don't play the card game by creating a two-tier system of stats that can be attained, as inevitably nations that have WA membership and play the card game will be able to attain higher stats than those who don't.

Technically speaking, WA nations do have an advantage already since resolutions can alter stats.

Or disadvantage, as the case may be. I'm pretty sure 95% of WA resolutions affect my stats in ways I don't want...

Anyway, I'm not exactly sure I like this idea. Mostly because I (as someone with limited free time) enjoy the fact that I only need to answer a few issues once a day to keep my nation humming at maximum efficiency. This would introduce an aspect into the "nation game" that would very much benefit those with the time/resources to built up an alliance(or network?) of economic support, which very much means that those of us that treat the nation simulator as more of a single player game would get left in the dust. It'd be disappointing.

I've already resigned myself to the fact that I'll never have the best card deck, simply because I don't have the time to manage a puppet card farm empire. It'd make me sad if the nation simulator goes that route so that there is an intrinsic stat advantage to whoever has the most time to spend on building up bank and networking for investment.