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Question about glitched/deleted nations

Postby Nakarisaune » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:22 am

So, during the recent game outage, a lot of nations were created and then deleted. Some of the names are reusable, some are not. Nations who show up as '0nation' are able to be used, nations who have a monument are not because they are marked as disgraced. There doesn't seem to be a pattern.

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Questions: Is there any pattern of which nations are marked as disgraced, and which nations were apparently wiped from the database entirely? Would it be possible to wipe the disgraced-nations too, since otherwise that's like 100+ nation names that die immediately because of what seems to be complete randomness?
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Postby Ghost Land » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:50 pm

No clue what happened there; seems like a highly unusual event at the very least. Note also that the boneyard lists the nations without a leading "0" to have been founded in antiquity and deleted/disgraced with a population of 1 million, as can be seen here and here, with the exception of Placeholder Xaojie.

Edit: while these do not provide a complete explanation of what all happened, this thread and this thread are related and offer relevant information; I'm thinking a merge of this thread with one of those may be in order.
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Postby Merconitonitopia » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:27 pm

The founding date for the deleted nations was 49 years ago. I'm guessing that would be 1 Jan 1970, which I believe is the starting date used by computers. That is long before we started keeping track of founding dates, so it interprets that as 'Antiquity'.

All of their stats were set to default, which for the most part meant zero. Interesting that it mean one for population.
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Postby [violet] » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:50 pm

Nakarisaune wrote:Is there any pattern of which nations are marked as disgraced, and which nations were apparently wiped from the database entirely?

Yes, but in both cases it comes down to "This nation was half-created during the database outage and was left in an unusable state."

Nakarisaune wrote:Would it be possible to wipe the disgraced-nations too, since otherwise that's like 100+ nation names that die immediately because of what seems to be complete randomness?

It's not possible without creating other inconsistencies.

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Postby Ghost Land » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:36 pm

[violet] wrote:
Nakarisaune wrote:Is there any pattern of which nations are marked as disgraced, and which nations were apparently wiped from the database entirely?

Yes, but in both cases it comes down to "This nation was half-created during the database outage and was left in an unusable state."

Nakarisaune wrote:Would it be possible to wipe the disgraced-nations too, since otherwise that's like 100+ nation names that die immediately because of what seems to be complete randomness?

It's not possible without creating other inconsistencies.

Pardon my technological ignorance, but could you explain what other inconsistencies would be caused? Wouldn't it just be a simple "delete this nation record"?
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:47 pm

Ghost Land wrote:Wouldn't it just be a simple "delete this nation record"?

Nothing about the back end is that simple. The game was originally based on a flat file game system, and now is a kluged mess of flat files, database entries, and linked-but-not-associated forum accounts.

Had the game been entirely database-enabled from day one, your statement might have been accurate. It wasn't, and it therefore isn't.

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Postby [violet] » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:31 pm

You're so mean about my beautiful code. It is an elegant work of art.

Even in a single database system, a user will be referenced by many different tables, and there will be problems if they only exist in some of them. But yes, the chances of this kind of corruption are much higher when info is spread across three different systems.



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