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Postby Care Lyon » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:17 am

VoVoDoCo wrote:Me and Care Lyon both have that description, despite him being a whole 20 points ahead of me in that category.


I have been an Anarchy for a long, long time. I think one issue changed that a few days ago. But I should return back to an Anarchy soon.

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Postby VoVoDoCo » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:13 am

Abuddania wrote:I Agree
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At least I've convinced 1/3 people lmao I'll take it.

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Postby VoVoDoCo » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:21 am

Merconitonitopia wrote:
VoVoDoCo wrote:I'm not trying to squeeze every stat into every homepage. But our WA classifications are divided into 3 equally important parts, one of those, for some reason, require investigation to figure out. Or you have to make assumptions based on the rest of the homepage, which we've proven can be faulty at best.

Look, you're honestly making this out to be a much more difficult endeavor than it is. I really don't know what to say on this. Category and the economy chart are enough to give you a basic overview of economic policy, save the finer details, in only a few seconds of opening the tab. I only need to make one click to see that a nation is socialist, for example.

Clintonburge is kind of an aberrant case, and an example of NS being sort of dumb. At any rate, a nation with a very odd economic system should require some level of investigation for one to grasp it. The economic freedom stat sure doesn't cut it.
VoVoDoCo wrote:Me and Care Lyon both have that description, despite him being a whole 20 points ahead of me in that category.

You're almost identical in terms of private sector activity as percentage of GDP, being what that line is referring to. Your nation is at 92.8% and Care Lyon at 95.1%.


Perhaps "investigation"was a hyperbole. But I disagree that the current data is enough and that it misses the finer details. The current data can't even help us realize that Care is a borderline Anarchy.

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Postby Aclion » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:12 pm

I'm for it. First the economy stat has nothing to do with classification, that's economic freedom. And i've lost track of the number of times i've seen someone confused about classifications because they thought that it was the economy stat that mattered(or the economic freedom stat that's displayed) because it's on the nation page along with two of the stats that do affect it. Heck I was one of those people. That alone justifies the switch for me.

Additionally the economy stat is sort of useless on it's own for getting a feel of a nations economy. That's why there is an entire paragraph on the nation page already devoted to the subject.
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:12 pm

Care Lyon wrote:
VoVoDoCo wrote:Me and Care Lyon both have that description, despite him being a whole 20 points ahead of me in that category.


I have been an Anarchy for a long, long time. I think one issue changed that a few days ago. But I should return back to an Anarchy soon.

Exactly. Nations that are straddling two different WA classifications would benefit from the clarity of adding the econ. freedom stat.

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Postby VoVoDoCo » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:15 pm

Aclion wrote:I'm for it. First the economy stat has nothing to do with classification, that's economic freedom. And i've lost track of the number of times i've seen someone confused about classifications because they thought that it was the economy stat that mattered(or the economic freedom stat that's displayed) because it's on the nation page along with two of the stats that do affect it. Heck I was one of those people. That alone justifies the switch for me.


I feel dumb for not even thinking about that. I too have seen a few NS Veterans who learned only after a few years the truth behind these NationStates stats. Good point.

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Postby Karteria » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:17 pm

I don't know if economic freedom is the best stat for it but I agree that there should be more distinction in the types of economies on the homepage.
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:10 pm

Karteria wrote:I don't know if economic freedom is the best stat for it but I agree that there should be more distinction in the types of economies on the homepage.

I would argue it is. It is one of the three stats that make up your WA classification and is the most telling when it comes to the types of policies you have enacted and will enact. It'll also put to rest the confusion as to what the three stats on our homepage mean.

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Postby VoVoDoCo » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:25 pm

Sorry for the break, but as promised, here's the other point I was gonna bring up (now that I have my compuer)

Also, it'd allow players to get more attached to those critical stat changes. If civil rights gets so high you "improve" (depending on what you're going for I guess lol), that's a fun time. Same with political freedoms. And with economic strength. With economic freedom, it'd be the same thing:

Civil Rights: Widely Abused, Frightening, Excessive, World Benchmark, Superb, Excellent, Very Good, Good, Average, Below Average, Some, Few, Rare, Unheard of, Outlawed.

Political Freedoms: Corrupted, Widely Abused, Excessive, World Benchmark, Superb, Excellent, Very Good, Good, Average, Below Average, Some, Few, Rare, Unheard of, Outlawed.

Economic Liberties: Unregulated, Frightening, Excessive, World Benchmark, Superb, Excellent, Very Good, Good, Average, Below Average, Some, Few, Rare, Suffocated, Outlawed.

You'd get to see yourself "level up" or "level down" on yet another stat, meaning it would happen more frequently. This would allow for an even more engaging experience with your policy choices.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:26 pm

fix my economy due to your crappy programming damnit
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:30 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:fix my economy due to your crappy programming damnit

Pull your nation up by its bootstraps.

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Postby Techgrade » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:14 pm

I like this, Full support for It being a thing :)
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:34 am

Appreciate it :bow:

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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:30 pm

I agree. The difference between economy and economic freedom is confusing. Economic freedom on homepage would clear that up
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:08 pm

I personally agree, but for different reasons.

It's hard to tell the difference between an Ancom and an Ancap. Oh wait, there is none

Jokes aside, I think Australian rePublic said it best
Australian rePublic wrote:I agree. The difference between economy and economic freedom is confusing. Economic freedom on homepage would clear that up
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:15 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:I agree. The difference between economy and economic freedom is confusing. Economic freedom on homepage would clear that up

I also agree. I mistaken economy for economic freedom when I first looked at that feature.

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Postby VoVoDoCo » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:11 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:I agree. The difference between economy and economic freedom is confusing. Economic freedom on homepage would clear that up

I also agree. I mistaken economy for economic freedom when I first looked at that feature.

Most new people do. It's important for newbies to get up to speed as quick as possible. The current system hinders that effort, rather than facilitate it.

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Postby Techgrade » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:09 pm

Definitely, when i first started nationstates i was so confused...
But i think that it could get mistaken with economy, so if it is added i would just say that it should be after political freedoms :)
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DISCUSS ECONOMIC FREEDOM STAT ADDED TO THE HOMEPAGE HERE

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Postby VoVoDoCo » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:05 pm

Techgrade wrote:Definitely, when i first started nationstates i was so confused...
But i think that it could get mistaken with economy, so if it is added i would just say that it should be after political freedoms :)

Funny you bring that up. I know coding is much harder than photoshopping, but it would definitely fit in.

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But it's definitely not a stretch.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:49 am

VoVoDoCo wrote:
Techgrade wrote:Definitely, when i first started nationstates i was so confused...
But i think that it could get mistaken with economy, so if it is added i would just say that it should be after political freedoms :)

Funny you bring that up. I know coding is much harder than photoshopping, but it would definitely fit in.

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But it's definitely not a stretch.

Side note: Nice photoshop.
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Postby Techgrade » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:54 pm

Yeah i reckon It may be a bit confusing to younger players, or beginners though.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:56 pm

I disagree. My economic freedom stat is inaccurate and it fluctuates in weird ways.
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Postby Former Citizens of the Nimbus System » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:01 pm

Fully supportive of this. It makes no sense and has never made sense to me that the triad is left incomplete.

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:I disagree. My economic freedom stat is inaccurate and it fluctuates in weird ways.

I'd argue that that's a problem with the way that NS handles its statistics (or your perception of that) rather than the UI.
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Postby Techgrade » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:42 pm

definitely agree with that, overall this thread is such a good idea
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Postby Merconitonitopia » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:47 pm

Alright then. Where would it go on the page?

That's the main problem I'm having with this. We can't put it next to the other three, because there isn't enough space, and it would look much to cluttered.
Moreover, it would make the Economy indicator seem out of place. One non-freedom-related indicator just sort of shoehorned in there next to three freedom indicators.

Where else could we put it?

Edit: Then again, this doesn't look too terrible.
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