Joint 1st place for stats

[Jarian]

I typed a really long message and lost it, sorry if this re-type is a bit rushed.

This is both gameplay and technical, hopefully I correctly prioritised the technical side.

I propose giving nations with equal stats the same place. An easy example is people with 100 Economy. I believe everyone with this maxed out stat should be joint 1st place.

Currently the stat list is often a poor representation of a nations true stats, as well as the top 3 displayed with a nations banner.

For example: if you have 100 Economy and 95 Secularism, Economy should be on top. However, this is not the case as the more popular Economy stat gets a lower place.

Finally, this is unfair to newer players who may max out their Economy stat and they will not even be in the top 5%, despite having the maximum score.

I hope that was understandable enough and there's a chance of this happening.

Added to oppose the opposition:

If Economy is too easy to boost, then that's a seperate issue. It doesn't change the fact that this is the one part of the game that does not give players equal opportunity.

[Anglomir]

Fair call.

I gather you can already predict the counter arguments.

"Oooh, I've been here since 2002, why should I share first place with some newbie who can get there in one month!"

"If you have joint first place, you have to have joint other places, otherwise it wont work, and we cant have a 100 place system for however many thousands of nations there are"

etc

[Chan Island]

I typed a really long message and lost it, sorry if this re-type is a bit rushed.

This is both gameplay and technical, hopefully I correctly prioritised the technical side.

I propose giving nations with equal stats the same place. An easy example is people with 100 Economy. I believe everyone with this maxed out stat should be joint 1st place.

Currently the stat list is often a poor representation of a nations true stats, as well as the top 3 displayed with a nations banner.

For example: if you have 100 Economy and 95 Secularism, Economy should be on top. However, this is not the case as the more popular Economy stat gets a lower place.

Finally, this is unfair to newer players who may max out their Economy stat and they will not even be in the top 5%, despite having the maximum score.

I hope that was understandable enough and there's a chance of this happening.

With the economy in particular, not everyone at 100 points is equal. Right now it's in fact much, much too easy to get 100 economy and then after a month of boosting it never be able to cut it down again. It's been known for a while that the economy stat should be overhauled.

As for Secularism. All I can say is that that's not a bad idea.

[Jarian]

If Economy is too easy to boost, then that's a seperate issue. It doesn't change the fact that this is the one part of the game that does not give players equal opportunity.

[Flanderlion]

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You'll be glad to know that it's on a final call beta - where after it gets enacted there won't be a max of 100, and instead you can get higher. Sadly the other 4 stats which off the top of my head have the issue of many individuals sharing ranks (Civil Rights, Political Freedoms, Influence and World Assembly Endorsements) don't appear to have betas. Civil Rights and Political Freedom need the same treatment, but influence and WA endoes only have a logjam at the lowest influence/endorsements. The solution to the ties should just be expanding the stat bounds instead of allowing ties.

You also aren't at the top of the economy stat currently, you're 99.71 (https://www.nationstates.net/nation=jar ... censusid=1) which is approx 700 places or slightly more away from nations that have 100 economy (just over 11 thousand nations at present, but after the beta is implemented it'll become irrelevant).

[Jarian]

You also aren't at the top of the economy stat currently, you're 99.71

I know, I was using Economy as an example. I also share a region with people who have 100 Economy.