Moderation needs ability to read deleted posts

[Ethel mermania]

Based on the answers to this thread

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=449977

Moderation needs the ability to read deleted posts to prevent the post i have quoted to be put up and removed before mod action can take place.

[Frisbeeteria]

phpBB doesn't provide a wiki-like editing history. If we had a choice, we'd have one. Unfortunately, it's not an option in our current software ... and we need to replace / update that software in a major way sometime soon. It's not something we can easily add.

[Ethel mermania]

phpBB doesn't provide a wiki-like editing history. If we had a choice, we'd have one. Unfortunately, it's not an option in our current software ... and we need to replace / update that software in a major way sometime soon. It's not something we can easily add.

Easy Peasey, Hire blaat, make him do it.

Thanks for the explanation, if you are moving platforms you do have my sympathy.

[Enfaru]

A simple solution would be to prevent the deletion of posts and/or editing after say 5 minutes. It's a simple permission change. There's no reason to delete posts and if someone does want a post deleting they can request a mod to move it to the archives (or some other hidden location) instead.

A definitely agree with the Op, if there are issues with people posting rule breaking content and then deleting it to escape justice. Otherwise maybe it's just best to let them delete their rule-breaking and chalk it up to someone learning that they have made a mistake and are rehabilitating themselves?

[Gandoor]

A simple solution would be to prevent the deletion of posts and/or editing after say 5 minutes. It's a simple permission change. There's no reason to delete posts and if someone does want a post deleting they can request a mod to move it to the archives (or some other hidden location) instead.

Removing the ability to edit posts after five minutes would be horrible because it would mean RPers couldn't edit posts to add more information to a thread, they'd have to make a new post each time.

[USS Monitor]

A simple solution would be to prevent the deletion of posts and/or editing after say 5 minutes. It's a simple permission change. There's no reason to delete posts and if someone does want a post deleting they can request a mod to move it to the archives (or some other hidden location) instead.

Removing the ability to edit posts after five minutes would be horrible because it would mean RPers couldn't edit posts to add more information to a thread, they'd have to make a new post each time.

It'd be a problem for drafting issues too. I don't support that suggestion.

[Reploid Productions]

Plus it would screw over WA proposal drafting, NS sports threads, Gameplay organizations, and pretty much all the valid reasons people have for editing a post.

People who make a habit of "post something rulebreaking and then quickly edit/delete it" invariably end up not being quick enough to do so sooner or later and they get busted. Those who abuse their ability to edit their posts can and do end up with that ability taken away completely.

[Jar Wattinree]

Those who abuse their ability to edit their posts can and do end up with that ability taken away completely.

This I like.

[Aclion]

A simple solution would be to prevent the deletion of posts and/or editing after say 5 minutes. It's a simple permission change. There's no reason to delete posts and if someone does want a post deleting they can request a mod to move it to the archives (or some other hidden location) instead.

A definitely agree with the Op, if there are issues with people posting rule breaking content and then deleting it to escape justice. Otherwise maybe it's just best to let them delete their rule-breaking and chalk it up to someone learning that they have made a mistake and are rehabilitating themselves?

Removing editing is a no go for the reasons stated, but I think removing deletion would be fine.

[Mallorea and Riva]

A simple solution would be to prevent the deletion of posts and/or editing after say 5 minutes. It's a simple permission change. There's no reason to delete posts and if someone does want a post deleting they can request a mod to move it to the archives (or some other hidden location) instead.

A definitely agree with the Op, if there are issues with people posting rule breaking content and then deleting it to escape justice. Otherwise maybe it's just best to let them delete their rule-breaking and chalk it up to someone learning that they have made a mistake and are rehabilitating themselves?

Removing editing is a no go for the reasons stated, but I think removing deletion would be fine.

I don't think it's so large a problem that it's worth removing the ability to delete posts. As Reppy said, if someone makes a habit of it we just suspend their individual privileges.

[Frisbeeteria]

I think removing deletion would be fine.

Post deletion is already severely limited. You can only delete if you're the last person to post in a thread, and then only if someone else hasn't posted and deleted. In forums where post deletion is likely to be a problem (General and F7, mostly), the threads move fast enough that it's almost impossible to delete your post.

A simple solution would be to prevent the deletion of posts and/or editing after say 5 minutes. It's a simple permission change.

Maybe on the version of phpBB you're using, but not on ours. It's binary here - on or off.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Depending on the version being used here (feature added in 3.1.x in 2014), there might be a “User can soft-delete own posts” forum-based permission. If not, then we can all deduce that NS runs phpbb3.0

[Enfaru]

So basically...

No, Mods don't need the ability to read deleted posts, because things like screen shots exist and as Rep says they'll slip up eventually anyway *and* if they're being a particular nuisance their editing privileges will be revoked.

I'll be clear here, I'm wasn't advocating one way or the other, simply stating how the objective could be achieved with the resources we already have available. They have obvious downsides. While I think it might be a good idea to disable editing per forum (i.e. where most chat takes place) I can definitely see why it's not feasible and would increase mod work load.

The position I advocate is that the mods do not need such a feature, sure it would be nice for the big brothery types to be able to go back into all the past history and dig up all the dirt never letting a single crime go unpunished... but it's also a good thing that people can retract their mistakes with a reduced fear of punishment. I too, do not think it is such a problem that requires its own solution.

Edit

NS is probably running on 2.x.... (would not surprise me).

[Bears Armed]

I seem to recall that the Mods did have this ability back when the forums were on Jolt.

[Aclion]

I seem to recall that the Mods did have this ability back when the forums were on Jolt.

Maybe we should migrate to jolt then.

*runs off before reppy can hit him*

[Reploid Productions]

I seem to recall that the Mods did have this ability back when the forums were on Jolt.

Maybe we should migrate to jolt then.

*runs off before reppy can hit him*

YOU CANNOT RUN FAR ENOUGH! *smite!*

[Khataiy]

I think the forum the way it is now is nice in terms of format, layout and interface and everything else.

[Sacara]

I think the forum the way it is now is nice in terms of format, layout and interface and everything else.

Not a fan of the green everywhere.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'd hate for post deletion to be removed.

One of my less exciting drunk habits is to decide I'm a really, really awesome writer at the time: so I'll go write out that new rp post I've been planning for ages and it'll invariably be awful; I like being able to get rid of that.
Their are mods for phpbb you can get which give moderators the power to read deleted posts, but any mod who has ever come across me on a moderation issue already knows what I think about giving mods more tools, and they don't need me to discuss it (boring for us both.)
I would however prefer it if posts could be deleted even when they're not the last post in a thread, it would get rid of all the annoying 'snip' or 'redacted' messages and would allow thread ops to inform people they shouldn't be posting in a thread without unnecessary lasting embarrassment for the user involved.

[USS Monitor]

I don't think there's any plan to remove post deletion. There are many legitimate reasons why people use it.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I don't think there's any plan to remove post deletion. There are many legitimate reasons why people use it.

What do you think of allowing it to be used even when a post isn't the last in a thread?