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[Suggestion] Require GCRs to Mark Welcome TGs as Recruitment

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Gibraltarica
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[Suggestion] Require GCRs to Mark Welcome TGs as Recruitment

Postby Gibraltarica » Fri May 11, 2018 9:37 am

Dear Sir/Madam, %NATION%, of the East Pacific,

You can either choose to remain here or leave this region for one of the regions that will be advertised to you in your incoming telegrams. (Hint: you probably want to stay here.)

If you do wish to remain here to learn more about NationStates, three things you should do before you get involved with The East Pacific:

1) https://www.nationstates.net/page=tgsettings Block recruitment spams (these settings can be changed anytime.)

2) join the world assembly clicking Apply from this link: (https://www.nationstates.net/page=un) in order to exchange endorsements between your fellow nations and vote on resolutions. You'll need to hit the confirmation link in the email you supply in your nation's settings (https://www.nationstates.net/page=settings.) Once you've done that, you can immediately test if your Endorsements work. Try it by clicking on my nation, Queen Yuno, and scrolling to the bottom. An Endorse button should appear, you can click it and see your nation register. Test and see if it works.

If you join the WA, I will send you an endorsement, too. (Welp, now that I've said this, if I end up forgetting to endo you, telegram me a reminder.)

Instructions for you to follow:
1) Make sure you have your email supplied in: https://www.nationstates.net/page=settings
2) Join the World Assembly using this link: https://www.nationstates.net/page=un
3) Go to your email to click the confirmation link.
4) Now you can vote and Endorse other nations. Click on your World Assembly Delegate Queen Yuno, scroll to the bottom, and click Endorse. (By doing this, you add +1 extra vote to TEP's World Assembly influence. This is a niche feature of the game.)

OPTIONAL FUN PART: now that your nation has become a WA nation(after your email is verified and all,) here's the fun part: I'm not the only individual you can exchange endorsements with. You can collect endorsements by using this endotarting link: https://www.nationstates.net/page=activ ... ember+endo
This is because the active players who are actively endorsing other people, are more likely to endorse you back if you endorse them. (Also, your name shows up in this endotart link in real-time whenever you endorse other nations.) So yeah, do it! If you're too busy to aim for 100 endorsements, you can simply do my nation Queen Yuno and move on with your day. Endorsements aren't everything, although they certainly help me out a lot.

3) Introduce yourself to your neighbors here.
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the ... region_rmb I read our Regional Message Board regularly and I enjoy talking to other nations. I'll probably reply to you there if you write a sustainable post :3

4) Answer your issues daily, but that seems common sense; you only get one Issue per 6 hours, and 5 is the max you can stack up before you're throttled from getting more. So answer 'em as they improve your nation's world rank. Most people are content playing the game like this for years, but if you want more to do, you can create factbooks/stories about your nation in order to potentially roleplay with other nations.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=create_dispatch
Roleplay forum:
Step 1: Register here: http://forum.theeastpacific.com/register and verify your email
Step 2: Make a post here: http://forum.theeastpacific.com/topic/7015830/1/
Step 3: You're free to explore the forum, propose new laws, and roleplay as yourself/your nation!
RP forum: http://forum.theeastpacific.com/forum/3666/

5) Aside from our RMB, we have discord ( https://discord.gg/j5xD2CC ) and Skype chat platrooms ( https://join.skype.com/BuTeFLBTQ0Fn ) to talk about roleplay, NS, or just talk (I'd suggest joining both.) In order to join the NS discord chatroom, you need to create a discordapp.com account first, then copy/paste this url https://discord.gg/j5xD2CC to join, then you can check in regularly or at your own leisure.)

6) "I accidentally left TEP, how do I return?" ---> Simple, just click this link: https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_east_pacific and then click the "Move %NATION% to The East Pacific" button. Furthermore, you should Archive this Telegram so that it doesn't get auto-deleted within your 20maximum telegram inbox, if you'd like to keep this TG for future reference. (Or delete telegrams you don't intend to keep, just keep your inbox beneath 20 TGs, otherwise if it's above 20TGs, the game automatically deletes your old telegrams permanently unless you upgrade your inbox.)

7) Remember to log in! If you don’t log in your nation for 28 days (60 if you set it to vacation mode in your settings,) your nation will Cease To Exist. So please try to log in. (You CAN revive your nation when it dies, but the drawback is that you lose ALL of your collected endorsements AND you need to manually move back to The East Pacific. So please, just log in NationStates at least once per month (or 2 months if set on Vacation Mode.))

I think that's all the basics a newcomer should know, so I'll stop harping on you now.
Good luck playing NS. Hope I helped ^^
If you have any questions, feel free to telegram me back, I do read them. Or better yet, talk on the RMB ^_^ You will notice which ones of us are regulars. If these instructions are too much for you, just do #2, endorsing as many nations as you can find and collecting endos is an integral part of the game. Anyway, don't hesitate to telegram me back, I need more telegrams. P.S. this isn't *really* a bot.

ROYAL REGARDS,
Lilith, Supreme Loligarch and Ruler of
Queen Yuno
within the East Pacific
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REGIONAL ANNOUNCEMENT FROM YOUR WA DELEGATE-QUEEN YUNO! (AS OF MARCH/2018)

Last week, I submitted a proposal to the Magisterium (The East Pacific's legislature) to increase everyone's endorsement limit from 200 to 250, and yesterday we've increased the endorsement cap to 350! The whole 100 increase is due to my massive boom in Endorsements. Proof: http://forum.theeastpacific.com/topic/7016782/1/
http://forum.theeastpacific.com/topic/7018676/1/ http://forum.theeastpacific.com/topic/7018603/1
(In the past, the regional endorsement cap was 150. Two months ago, I submitted legislation to increase that to 200, which was the endorsement limit until today. If you're interested in doing what I do, register on that forum I linked.)

Starting from today, you are allowed to gather up to 350 endorsements! This makes us the region with the 2nd highest endorsement cap in the game (second only to TNP, but don't start thinking about migrating to TNP now :) )

If you haven't endorsed me yet, make sure you join the World Assembly (here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=un you need the World Assembly to be able to gain endorsements in the first place.) Click my nation and find the endorsement button at the bottom. You can do this to ANY WA nation, hence we want as many people in the World Assembly as possible; it boosts our strength and numbers. (Just don't hold multiple WA accounts because that's illegal/cheating.) Please telegram me back if I didn't explain this clearly.

As to how to gather endorsements: You would need to endorse other people and telegram them to endorse you back. Generally, it's better to do this with friends or active endorsers found in this link https://www.nationstates.net/page=activ ... ember+endo Or go down the WA statistics page. It normally takes people longer than a week to get to 100 endorsements, and months to get higher than that, so don't be in a huge rush to get 350 endorsements, take it slow.


Telegram me or ask me on Discord if you have any questions. Now, before you go wild, I will provide you with a top secret link. It only works for World Assembly nations (So join the WA if you aren't one already.)

This is the secret link that I personally use to gain endorsements, you can have it: http://cerulean.nsr3n.info/the_east_pac ... s/index.sh

Just click on "General Endotarting Queries"
Type in "notendorsedby:%NATION%"
Hit Submit, and endorse everyone down that list.

Good luck getting to 300 or 350! Again, don't rush. Besides endorsements, I want you to get involved with our NS community (don't move elsewhere or you lose all your endos, but rather, make a new nation but don't join WA with that new nation. WA main nation stays in TEP...preferably. Regardless, NS only permits 1 WA nation at the same time, per person, so you might as well use it for a game-created-region such as The East Pacific than in a user-created-region where it costs the founder 0 influence to ban you. In a game created region, for each day you remain a resident, your influence number (how much influence it would cost an Officer to ban you) is increased by twice the number of endorsements your nation possesses. This is why endorsements are such an important game mechanic and why I often encourage new players to join the WA. Nations in Game Created Regions are less likely to get banned by rogue Delegates because it's expensive to ban high endorsement nations, but it costs nothing for a Founder of a User Created Region to ban nations. Sorry if I'm overwhelming you with info! You don't need to understand that part, just know that endorsements are fabulous stats to have for your nation :3 )

Here's the NS TEP Discord chat: https://discord.gg/j5xD2CC (Feel free to join. It's easier for me to talk there than in telegrams. We also have military gameplay lessons there if you're interested in that, courtesy of Elfine, a Raider ranked as General of the army; nation-roleplay lessons, world assembly & game cheats by loli memelord Verdrassil(known as Drachen on Discord) and cutthroat diplomat jobs provided by Secretary of State Aeneas Prime(known as Cain on Discord.) Come learn stuff (for free,) and you'll gradually be ranked up.)

Anyway, that's it for today ^.^
Have a nice week!




*Queen Yuno sends %NATION% a giftbasket of pink things along with 2 pamphlets about "What Is Influence" & "How to write Issues"*:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=954778
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=991928
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=991245

(ALSO I'M NOT A BOT! Do NOT block my telegrams. I get that a lot. I know I'm the one with the "welcome to NS" telegram that new nations get, but the various times that I've tried to telegram someone legitimately, I found out I'd been blocked. Proof I'm real: I answer my issues everyday! And I return endorsements. You can see for yourself; it's on my National Happenings. That's not a script. Sorry for the vent. I'm not very eloquent. Thanks for reading! )
I would like to personally welcome you to the oldest, most culturally rich region in all of NationStates!

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Important: By now, you've probably been bombarded by recruitment telegrams. If you'd like to not receive those, here's how: go to "Telegrams", then "Preferences", scroll down to "Filter" and pick the "Block All" option next to "Recruitment".

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About the Pacific

As a Meritocracy, the Pacific and its government (the New Pacific Order/NPO) reward activity and contribution. If you prove to be a loyal and active member of the region, you may just be invited to departments that are even more important to the region!

With that out of the way, I hope you will consider becoming a permanent resident here in the Pacific. There are several departments that you can join, if you are interested. Here are the ones you can apply to, as a citizen.

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Pacifican Job Market

The Legio Pacificus

The Legio Pacificus is the military of the Pacific. By joining, you will be using your WA membership to fight Pacifica's enemies abroad.

The Diplomatic Corps

If you would like to visit other regions and represent the Pacific abroad, this is the department for you! Through the Diplomatic Corps, you will be able to work closely with our allies, as well as help improve our relations with other regions.

The Media Corps

The Media Corps runs the Pacific News Network, one of the oldest and most well-respected news outlets in the game. If you are interested in journalism, this is the place you want to be.

The World Assembly Squad

The WA Squad advises the Emperor on World Assembly proposals, as well as drafting our own proposals when necessary.

Pacific University

The University is where one may enroll in to learn more about an array of topics – from Pacifican history to writing media articles. For the Pacificans, taught by Pacificans.

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Offsite Forum

The Pacific also has its very own offsite forum where more content and aspects of the NPO can be accessed. One of the more prominent aspects of the offsite forum is our roleplaying section. We have a very active and dedicated community, along with a capable group of Roleplay Overseers. There is a spot for everyone in the Pacific's Roleplay. The provincial subforums can be accessed through the forum as well. This is where you can socialize with the Curia and the governors of your respective province.

If any of these things interest you, then please feel free to apply for citizenship on our forum via this link - https://ns.npowned.net/forum/index.php? ... on-thread/
Welcome, %NATION%, to the South Pacific!

We're one of the largest regions in the game, and are also the game's longest-sustained democracy, in addition to being the most fun! You're encouraged to introduce yourself on our regional message board and, if you're looking to get involved, we reccomend that you join the world assembly and then endorse me, Erinor, & the other officials linked in the World Factbook Entry.

Read the following dispatch if you want to learn more about why we think this matters:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=958563

In addition to endorsing the delegate, you can also join our forums (http://tspforums.xyz/index.php) & Discord (https://discord.gg/ec8KURN)! Both are great ways to participate in the regional democracy, roleplay, and generally to banter with other players!

Want to learn more about how the game works? Read this dispatch:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=776865

Don’t forget to read up on our security guidelines:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=670157

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. Otherwise, grab a lampshade and join in the party!

Erinor,
Delegate of the South Pacific.
Greetings %NATION%,

Congratulations on joining NationStates! This is a diverse and exciting game, and I sincerely hope you enjoy it as much as I have over the past several years.

Your NationStates experience will depend strongly on the region you choose to have your nation in. Allow me then to welcome you to our region - The North Pacific.

The North Pacific is one of the oldest and most powerful regions in NationStates. We pride ourselves on our strong democracy, openness, and transparency. Our new residents have the opportunity to join in and get involved as soon as they choose to, and are provided with the resources to become among the most influential nations in the world. Simply put, The North Pacific is the place to be in NationStates, and you can [url=/page=dispatch/id=338935]click here to find out why you should also be here[/url].

You will shortly begin to receive recruitment telegrams from other regions. You can compare what each region has to offer and decide which one suits your nation best. I hope that you choose to stay in The North Pacific, and if you do, I recommend that you join our regional forum. Here are some highlights of what you can do there:

  • Become a legislator in the Regional Assembly.
  • Join the government by signing up for the Executive Staff.
  • Learn about exciting military gameplay by enlisting in the North Pacific Army.
  • Join our map and roleplay your nation in the Democratic Union.
  • Vote and run for delegate and other offices.

... And the list goes on! You can do all of the above simply by registering here: http://forum.thenorthpacific.org

I also strongly encourage you to [url=/page=dispatch/id=338371]join the World Assembly[/url], which is one of the best ways to improve your game experience and increase your nation's power. This is more true in The North Pacific than in any other region - it is no coincidence we have way more World Assembly nations than any of them. You can click the previous link for more details about why and how to join the World Assembly.

If you do choose to join, please consider endorsing your Delegate [nation=short]Gladio II[/nation] (this is me!), and Vice Delegate [nation=short]Siwale[/nation]. By doing so, you help keep our region secure and stable, and help increase its influence in the world. Thanks in advance, and we will be sure to endorse you back!

Whichever region you decide to make your home - and I will be delighted if that is The North Pacific - I wish you the best of luck in it. While deciding, treat yourself to some of our famous rum (comes in cocktails too!). If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me, either by responding to this telegram, or on the regional forum.

Best regards,
[nation=short]Gladio II[/nation].

P.S. If you find the torrent of recruitment telegrams distracting, you can easily turn it off. First, go to your [url=/page=tgsettings]telegram preferences[/url]. From there, you can change your settings for Recruitment to Block All, or any other setting you prefer.
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Welcome to NationStates, a political simulator game. You're probably very overwhelmed, and we're here to help with that.

My name is Davelands, and let me be the first to bid you welcome to The West Pacific!


~Where the coffee is always fresh, the bar always open, and there's Karaoke every Friday.~

You'll be getting a lot of telegrams from different people wanting you to join them about now, and if you'd like, you can turn them off by visiting https://www.nationstates.net/page=tgsettings and changing the recruitment setting to "block all."
And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

All of us here hope you'll stick around. We're one of the best regions in the game with just about everything any region can offer, so that makes the decision easy! Our region is the best place to learn how to play the game, meet new people, and get involved at your own pace, because we've got tons of new players just like you!

You can quickly learn way too much about the game by reading the Survival Guide.
We also have a handy Information Guide and Rulebook for the region right here.

Drop on by the Regional Message Board and say hello! There you'll find the residents of our region talking, and our two events, Punday Monday and Karaoke Friday. And don't worry, we only bite on full moons.

Join our forum at http://www.westpacific.org You can become a citizen and get involved in the regional government of The West Pacific.

You can try:

Military -- Fight for your region!
--- A great place to start, our Commander, Altincredible organizes raids against our enemies across NationStates.

Foreign Affairs -- Become an ambassador!
--- Join the FA Ministry and represent The West Pacific with our allies.

Internal Affairs -- Culture! Games! Newspaper! Role Play!
--- Help the IA Minister Rigels_light plan new events and games for the region.

World Assembly Affairs -- The latest in international intrigue!
--- Discuss the latest resolutions at vote in the World Assembly with States_of_Glory.

Hall of Nations -- Have a say in the government!
--- Apply for citizenship, help write laws for the region, and hold elections for office under the eye of Speaker of the Hall Overthinkers

The ClubHouse -- Day Life, Night Life, High Life, and Low Life!
--- Spam, games, talking; anything you could desire.

So much you can do! Make an account and introduce yourself!

Yes, we have a regional Discord server!
The link to join is https://discordapp.com/invite/C8PAEvR


It's a great place to stop by and say hello to people across the NationStates world!

We have many channels to talk in, from politics to role play to music to D&D!
Join us today!

You can join the NationStates World Assembly here!
The World Assembly is very similar to a certain international institution in our own world, complete with resolutions and commendations and strongly worded letters!


Once you become a member, your first duty is to endorse the Delegate, Davelands (me) and the Guardians. You can find the list of Guardians in this dispatch.

The more endorsements the Delegate has, the more secure the region is from outside influences and the more power The West Pacific holds in General Assembly and Security Council votes.

After that, endorse any nation that you like. Most times, a nation that you endorse will endorse you back, thereby increasing your influence in the region. Just remember that the regional Endorsement Caps are based on you endorsing the current Delegate. Your maximum allowed endorsements are 10 if you don't endorse the Delegate and 100 if you do.

To endorse a nation, click on a nation to go to their page, scroll to the bottom, and click on the button that says "Endorse Xxxxxxx".

You will probably find it fun answering the resolutions in the General Assembly and Security Council. Remember that General Assembly resolutions that pass will have a small effect on your nation.

We discuss all World Assembly resolutions in a special section of our off-site forum
http://www.westpacific.org/forums/index.php?/forum/15-world-assembly-affairs/


If you have any further questions, you can always send me a Telegram! I'll be more than happy to help you out.

The best place to get your questions answered is to post a message on the Regional Message Board. There is usually someone on there 24 hours a day who can help point you in the right direction. You can also find help on the Forum and the Discord server.

As a Game Created Region where new nations are created, it is our duty to help new nations out. We have lots of people who love to help!

And once again, welcome to The West Pacific! I hope you enjoy yourself and decide to stick around!

Yours truly,

Davelands
World Assembly Delegate of The West Pacific

P.S. We really do have karaoke every Friday! And even puns on Monday!

If you look above, you'll see the welcome telegrams of the five largest regions in-game, and my question is: With telegrams like these, is it any wonder? They get to, without paying, tell you all about their region, and do it first! If GCRs were truly the best regions, they would be able to survive without these welcome telegrams, I propose. It's only fair that these regions, which already have a headstart, getting all the nations founded in them, should have to pay money, use API, or do manual recruitment. These telegrams, of course, do also have useful guides for getting started on NationStates--but so do a lot of recruitment telegrams, and so do most regional welcome telegrams, not to mention the "Welcome to Nationstates" telegram every player gets from Max Barry. Furthermore, three of these telegrams get to telling players to turn off recruitment telegrams before everything else! I don't think it's fair that that's permitted to be the case. I expect a lot of GCR-based players to argue that it's different, but we all know where their interests lie.

I'm not advocating that GCRs should have to spend money (after all, API is valid for recruitment TGs as well), just that their welcome telegrams should be buffered like recruitment telegrams, and need to be marked as such.
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Postby North Krualstiken » Fri May 11, 2018 9:39 am

Why would this matter? Unless someone makes a puppet using NS++, they won't have time to turn off recruitment TGs. -1, bad idea.
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Postby Gibraltarica » Fri May 11, 2018 9:42 am

North Krualstiken wrote:Why would this matter? Unless someone makes a puppet using NS++, they won't have time to turn off recruitment TGs. -1, bad idea.

I don't see how that's a bad thing, necessarily. If NS cared about new players' telegram inboxes, they would have never permitted stamps to be a thing.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Fri May 11, 2018 9:47 am

Gibraltarica wrote:
North Krualstiken wrote:Why would this matter? Unless someone makes a puppet using NS++, they won't have time to turn off recruitment TGs. -1, bad idea.

I don't see how that's a bad thing, necessarily. If NS cared about new players' telegram inboxes, they would have never permitted stamps to be a thing.

or you could just go into preferences and turn off recruitment tg's that's helps too you know plus welcome telegrams are not considered since there welcoming a new nation to the region that's different giving them a tg saying how wonderful a region is and is urging them to join
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Postby Gibraltarica » Fri May 11, 2018 9:48 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Gibraltarica wrote:I don't see how that's a bad thing, necessarily. If NS cared about new players' telegram inboxes, they would have never permitted stamps to be a thing.

or you could just go into preferences and turn off recruitment tg's that's helps too you know plus welcome telegrams are not considered since there welcoming a new nation to the region that's different giving them a tg saying how wonderful a region is and is urging them to join

I already addressed this point in the OP.
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Postby Bougainville » Fri May 11, 2018 10:15 am

I can't express how much I'm for this, I recently created a number of new nations. In the timespan that I did there's not enough time to get to the settings after a nation is created scroll down to preferences then click block all for recruitment and region (official). Even if you do manage to do so the game created region's welcome telegram still surpasses the block. On top of that, they receive a massive benefit when you take into account that recruitment telegrams won't be received for 45 to 75 seconds after the game created region's welcome telegram has been received. When you have feeders like The East Pacific, Pacific, North Pacific, and West Pacific telling them to block recruitment telegrams it gives the feeders a greater advantage on the international stage, as if they didn't already have one.
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Postby Queen Yuno » Fri May 11, 2018 10:23 am

I don't mind this change, but I wouldn't advocate this for Sinkers(like TRR/Laz/Osi/Balder) which could get activity problems. In the past, many GCRs suffered inactivity problems too.

As for blocking recruitment TGs, every competent region teaches you how to do that. The spam can get excessive and it's one of the things I wish I knew how when I was new, I'll sooner stop teaching people how to block telegrams when NationStates increases the inbox limit for everyone from 20 telegrams to 50 or 100 for free. And instead, that $5 inbox upgrade should increase telegrams from 5 folders of 100-telegrams into a 1000 telegrams limit. Maybe add a telegram-search feature too.
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Postby The Gipper » Fri May 11, 2018 10:37 am

Assuming telegrams queued on a nation are still grouped into three pools (api, manual, and mass) and the nation receives one from one pool, the next from another, etc. then I assume a telegram marked as such would be competing on equal footing each time the 'mass' pool came up with all the stamp-sent-telegrams. That would mean a whole lot of feeder welcome telegrams wouldn't be received for hours, which would indeed be a major nerf of that tool for them.

I honestly think the major reason GCRs contain so much larger a share of the world's WAs than it did pre-stams/api is that when bombarded with so many recruitment telegrams people are choosing to do nothing because they can't keep up. So it is the GCRs status as the default option that is need of nerfing, not their welcome telegram. That's just how it looks to me.

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Postby Queen Yuno » Fri May 11, 2018 10:46 am

The Gipper wrote:Assuming telegrams queued on a nation are still grouped into three pools (api, manual, and mass) and the nation receives one from one pool, the next from another, etc. then I assume a telegram marked as such would be competing on equal footing each time the 'mass' pool came up with all the stamp-sent-telegrams. That would mean a whole lot of feeder welcome telegrams wouldn't be received for hours, which would indeed be a major nerf of that tool for them.

I honestly think the major reason GCRs contain so much larger a share of the world's WAs than it did pre-stams/api is that when bombarded with so many recruitment telegrams people are choosing to do nothing because they can't keep up. So it is the GCRs status as the default option that is need of nerfing, not their welcome telegram. That's just how it looks to me.


About this.... I tested it with a puppet some time ago and I get the impression that a new nation receives like 50 recruitment telegrams, but the first 30 vanish into oblivion due to the 20 inbox limit. Sometimes I check out my "Notifications" and click on a recruitment telegram, and it shows up as "This telegram can not be viewed" So that could be a factor too.
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Postby Gibraltarica » Fri May 11, 2018 10:51 am

Queen Yuno wrote:snip


No region deserves activity, I'd argue, not even the GCRs. While it's nice to have it, regions should have to work for it. TNP is a great example of a GCR which has gone beyond its feeder status to become a much better region for new folks, because of its dedication towards making itself more active.

As for blocking stamps, you're right, they do. Which is why GCRs don't need to.
The Gipper wrote:Assuming telegrams queued on a nation are still grouped into three pools (api, manual, and mass) and the nation receives one from one pool, the next from another, etc. then I assume a telegram marked as such would be competing on equal footing each time the 'mass' pool came up with all the stamp-sent-telegrams. That would mean a whole lot of feeder welcome telegrams wouldn't be received for hours, which would indeed be a major nerf of that tool for them.

I honestly think the major reason GCRs contain so much larger a share of the world's WAs than it did pre-stams/api is that when bombarded with so many recruitment telegrams people are choosing to do nothing because they can't keep up. So it is the GCRs status as the default option that is need of nerfing, not their welcome telegram. That's just how it looks to me.

The game's not going to nerf GCRs, I think. Because:
A. It would be too difficult to untangle the mess that is NS' code
B. People have asked for this already, and nothing has been done about it.
I think nerfing welcome telegrams is a fair middle ground.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri May 11, 2018 10:55 am

Whenever I get a puppet, the first thing I do is block all recruitment TGs, which takes 8-10 seconds, tops. In that time, I get an average of four recruitment telegrams (sometimes as few as two, sometimes as many as eight, but the average seems to be 4).
Maybe we should limit the number of recruitment TGs received to be no more than 1-2 per minute, with them waiting 90 seconds after founding to arrive, and put instructions on how to block telegrams in the "Greetings, Leader" telegram all new nations receive.

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Postby USS Monitor » Fri May 11, 2018 12:36 pm

Welcome TGs are welcome TGs. Recruitment is recruitment. I don't see a need to treat them differently just because it's a GCR.

Queen Yuno wrote:
The Gipper wrote:Assuming telegrams queued on a nation are still grouped into three pools (api, manual, and mass) and the nation receives one from one pool, the next from another, etc. then I assume a telegram marked as such would be competing on equal footing each time the 'mass' pool came up with all the stamp-sent-telegrams. That would mean a whole lot of feeder welcome telegrams wouldn't be received for hours, which would indeed be a major nerf of that tool for them.

I honestly think the major reason GCRs contain so much larger a share of the world's WAs than it did pre-stams/api is that when bombarded with so many recruitment telegrams people are choosing to do nothing because they can't keep up. So it is the GCRs status as the default option that is need of nerfing, not their welcome telegram. That's just how it looks to me.


About this.... I tested it with a puppet some time ago and I get the impression that a new nation receives like 50 recruitment telegrams, but the first 30 vanish into oblivion due to the 20 inbox limit. Sometimes I check out my "Notifications" and click on a recruitment telegram, and it shows up as "This telegram can not be viewed" So that could be a factor too.


It's possible to have more than 20 TGs in your inbox at one time. The extras get deleted when you log out.

If there are TGs vanishing into the ether, there's more to it than just the inbox overflowing, but I am not sure exactly what is happening there. If you've switched puppets or logged out and logged back in, that can delete some TGs, but it won't clear your notifications -- but I don't know if that's what you were seeing or if it was something else.
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Postby Phydios » Fri May 11, 2018 1:42 pm

USS Monitor wrote:Welcome TGs are welcome TGs. Recruitment is recruitment. I don't see a need to treat them differently just because it's a GCR.

I do. Newly founded nations don't choose the feeder that they get founded in. When a nation receives a welcome telegram from a UCR, it's because they made a conscious decision to move to that region. They want to be in that region, so the welcome telegram is just a welcome telegram.

Not so with feeders. Nations get founded in them automatically. They're in the region without any decision to be there. The feeders know this, and they know that newly founded nations haven't yet decided what region they want to join. So their welcome telegrams don't just welcome nations to the region- they try to convince them to stay. That is recruitment. The player hasn't yet made their choice, and the feeder they landed in is trying to convince them to choose the feeder- the very definition of recruitment for a feeder.

Here, let me show you:
Dear Sir/Madam, %NATION%, of the East Pacific,

You can either choose to remain here or leave this region for one of the regions that will be advertised to you in your incoming telegrams. (Hint: you probably want to stay here.)

If you do wish to remain here to learn more about NationStates, three things you should do before you get involved with The East Pacific:

1) https://www.nationstates.net/page=tgsettings Block recruitment spams (these settings can be changed anytime)
-snip-

Important: By now, you've probably been bombarded by recruitment telegrams. If you'd like to not receive those, here's how: go to "Telegrams", then "Preferences", scroll down to "Filter" and pick the "Block All" option next to "Recruitment".
-snip-
As a Meritocracy, the Pacific and its government (the New Pacific Order/NPO) reward activity and contribution. If you prove to be a loyal and active member of the region, you may just be invited to departments that are even more important to the region!

With that out of the way, I hope you will consider becoming a permanent resident here in the Pacific.
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Your NationStates experience will depend strongly on the region you choose to have your nation in. Allow me then to welcome you to our region - The North Pacific.

The North Pacific is one of the oldest and most powerful regions in NationStates. We pride ourselves on our strong democracy, openness, and transparency. Our new residents have the opportunity to join in and get involved as soon as they choose to, and are provided with the resources to become among the most influential nations in the world. Simply put, The North Pacific is the place to be in NationStates, and you can [url=/page=dispatch/id=338935]click here to find out why you should also be here[/url].

You will shortly begin to receive recruitment telegrams from other regions. You can compare what each region has to offer and decide which one suits your nation best. I hope that you choose to stay in The North Pacific, and if you do, I recommend that you join our regional forum.
-snip-
If you do choose to join, please consider endorsing your Delegate [nation=short]Gladio II[/nation] (this is me!), and Vice Delegate [nation=short]Siwale[/nation].
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Whichever region you decide to make your home - and I will be delighted if that is The North Pacific - I wish you the best of luck in it.
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P.S. If you find the torrent of recruitment telegrams distracting, you can easily turn it off. First, go to your [url=/page=tgsettings]telegram preferences[/url]. From there, you can change your settings for Recruitment to Block All, or any other setting you prefer.

You'll be getting a lot of telegrams from different people wanting you to join them about now, and if you'd like, you can turn them off by visiting https://www.nationstates.net/page=tgsettings and changing the recruitment setting to "block all."
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All of us here hope you'll stick around. We're one of the best regions in the game with just about everything any region can offer, so that makes the decision easy! Our region is the best place to learn how to play the game, meet new people, and get involved at your own pace, because we've got tons of new players just like you!
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And once again, welcome to The West Pacific! I hope you enjoy yourself and decide to stick around!
-snip-


Above are selected excerpts from the welcome telegram of each feeder. They are all advising players to turn off recruitment TGs, talking about why their region is the best, or expressing their wishes that the player will make that region their home. That is recruitment. The player has not yet decided to make their home in the region, and the region wants to encourage them to. But because these are regional welcome telegrams, they are not affected by any of the game's regulations on recruitment. TSP is the only feeder to not try to convince newly founded nations to stay in the region, or to turn off their recruitment TGs. Is this not a problem? Are not these feeders exploiting their unique status for additional recruitment benefits, on top of the benefits they get by having nations constantly piped to them? NS can't do anything about the fact that GCRs get nations a whole lot more easily than UCRs- there have to be some default regions, at least unless a GCR replacement proposal like the "null region" idea gets actual traction. But the admins can at least try to level the playing field as much as possible, and that starts with not allowing GCRs free, unrestricted recruitment. Either require GCR welcome TGs to be treated as "recruitment" or don't allow recruitment in the welcome TGs. Certainly no UCR is allowed to TG recruit outside of the regulations on recruit TGs, and the unique status of the GCRs shouldn't let them do it either.

Edit: Fixed formatting error.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Fri May 11, 2018 2:03 pm

Wouldn't the easier solution from your perspective just be not to deliver a welcome TG to a nation which spawns in a feeder? GCRs should be able to send welcome TGs to nations just moving in from elsewhere I would think. I don't like the idea of forcing the to mark it as "recruitment" in the normal sense due to the fact that they're already there. What would be the result if we made that tech change (GCR welcome TGs are not delivered to nations spawning in the region), and changed nothing else?
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Postby Scardino » Fri May 11, 2018 2:12 pm

Mall's suggestion seems sensible.
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Postby Galiantus III » Fri May 11, 2018 2:15 pm

Phydios wrote:-snip-


Exactly. Everything said here is correct.

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GCRs have so many built-in advantages over other regions that in my opinion it stifles regional politics. There is no in-game way for a GCR to lose their position, and likewise there is no in-game way for a UCR to gain the same power as a GCR. If there was we'd use that instead of coming here to technical to bother the mods about it. I understand that asymmetric gameplay can be fun, but this is not asymmetric gameplay, this is drastically unbalanced gameplay. It's sort of like playing a fighting game where every character's special attacks can be blocked, except for the one guy the developers decided to give a one-hit kill move that cannot be blocked. That's not a fun game to play. I'm not saying that NS isn't fun on the whole, but this particular dynamic between GCRs and UCRs is straight up boring.

That's why we continually complain about this issue and discuss ideas for changing the dynamic. We've made some pretty outlandish and extreme ideas, and then there are the ones like this one just begging for some semi-equal treatment. At the core, all we want is some way that UCRs can be reasonably expected to compete with GCRs. Admin, please do something about this. We have made so many suggestions and received basically zero feedback. Pick a few ideas we've suggested you think are close to the mark, and let us hash them out until something acceptable comes from it. This is not an issue that can be solved in-game, because this problem is one inherent to the structure of the game. That is why we're here, and not going about playing regional politics right now.

Edit: I like Mall's suggestion. It is a very simple change and preserves the utility in how telegrams are marked.
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Postby Trotterdam » Fri May 11, 2018 2:51 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Wouldn't the easier solution from your perspective just be not to deliver a welcome TG to a nation which spawns in a feeder? GCRs should be able to send welcome TGs to nations just moving in from elsewhere I would think. I don't like the idea of forcing the to mark it as "recruitment" in the normal sense due to the fact that they're already there. What would be the result if we made that tech change (GCR welcome TGs are not delivered to nations spawning in the region), and changed nothing else?
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Fri May 11, 2018 3:03 pm

I'm actually asking a specific question: what is the result if what I just said was implemented? Law of unintended consequences is the bane of Admin's existence, so hashing this stuff out now is helpful.
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Postby Eluvatar » Fri May 11, 2018 3:12 pm

Prior to welcome telegrams being added at the request of GCR players, The North Pacific used API telegrams to send welcome telegrams to new nations. New nations are founded at between 20 and 200 nations per hour, with an average around 70. Dividing by five, that's 4 to 40 with an average around 14. Up to 120 nations can be reached in an hour.

If we altered the rules to specifically require welcome messages to newly-founded nations be marked as recruitment, then feeders could send up to 20 per hour, which would lag during peak hours but reach all nations on average. (There would be trade-offs of course: my understanding is that The North Pacific also uses recruitment telegrams for nations that leave The North Pacific or join certain regions.

I'd personally prefer tweaking the behavior of welcome telegrams in feeders to taking them away entirely. I'm also not sure that advantaging feeders with scripts so heavily over feeders without is beneficial.

But the feature I'd prefer working on is implementing better interfaces around recruitment messages, allowing regions to better understand what's working for them and what isn't. It's fairly high on my priorities, though eclipsed somewhat by certain problems with the update, and some other work I need to do for NS that won't be as visible.

If it's helpful for people to understand the dynamics of the three boxes, currently stamps are used an order of magnitude more than the API, and the API an order of magnitude or so more than manual.
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Postby Unibot III » Fri May 11, 2018 3:30 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Wouldn't the easier solution from your perspective just be not to deliver a welcome TG to a nation which spawns in a feeder? GCRs should be able to send welcome TGs to nations just moving in from elsewhere I would think. I don't like the idea of forcing the to mark it as "recruitment" in the normal sense due to the fact that they're already there. What would be the result if we made that tech change (GCR welcome TGs are not delivered to nations spawning in the region), and changed nothing else?


Mall's idea is fine. If GCRs want to send a message welcoming newly founded nations and encourage them to stay, they can recruit like other regions - GCRs never used to do it, they only do it now because Welcome TGs make it so easy for them to do so. We did without Welcome Messages in GCRs for years, GCRs already have a considerable advantage in retention and recruitment.
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Postby Helseth » Fri May 11, 2018 3:50 pm

It's not really recruitment, more of retention. Against the proposal.
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Postby Galiantus III » Fri May 11, 2018 4:07 pm

Helseth wrote:It's not really recruitment, more of retention. Against the proposal.


But it is recruitment. As Phydos said, the nations that start in the GCRs didn't choose to move there when they were founded. And for a new player who has no knowledge of regions, there is virtually no difference between the two messages. We can realistically only talk about retention if the subject involves nations that have been in the region for more than a day.
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Mallorea and Riva wrote:I'm actually asking a specific question: what is the result if what I just said was implemented? Law of unintended consequences is the bane of Admin's existence, so hashing this stuff out now is helpful.


My signature literally says "Feederite", so obviously I have biases and you should consider that as you read on.

The Feeders and Refounders have a special social role in the game, in that they are responsible for introducing (or, in the case of the Refounders, re-introducing) nations to the various emergent facets of the game. These regions are full-featured regions that offer a wide swath of gameplay possibilities so that these nations can experience a solid overview of what is possible, even if they move on to another region later.

The welcome telegram is a central component to this. While the initial founding telegram from Max gives a good overview of the core game, it does not (and inherently cannot) portray the subtly-but-ever-shifting landscape of emergent gameplay that thousands of players have established over the past 15 years. The welcome telegrams from the Feeders and Refounders all either introduce many facets of emergent gameplay, or direct the nation to resources to discover these facets.

A new nation is already getting pretty lost. Not getting the guidance from the guaranteed second telegram to guide them to the crazy possibilities of this even crazier game will leave them feeling even more lost, as they are bombarded with telegrams that are not there to explain, but rather to sell. It's bad enough that regions like The Invaders continue to recruit like mad and have new nations join them with an appealing telegram, only to not offer those players any possibilities for engagement and leave them to cease to exist in droves. Just imagine the number of nations that join that region and then leave the game as "boring", which could otherwise have been the next Eluvatar or Evil Wolf or Yuno or Todd McCloud or Kandarin or Benevolent Thomas etc.; I lose sleep at night over this thought. The proposed change would just serve to increase this problem.
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Postby Gibraltarica » Fri May 11, 2018 4:56 pm

@Roavin
With all due respect, your comments seem like GCR elitism. UCRs work the hardest to retain recruits, to educate them on how to play the game, and on how to do what they want to, because it's in their best interest. Sure, there's one or two bad apples like The Invaders, but you're ignoring the fact that many of these recruitment telegrams explicitly link to guides on how to play the game, and invite new players to ask them questions. I do not think it is prudent to view GCRs, which are by nature large and impersonal, as the guiding force for these new players. Fact: GCR welcome telegrams do not do anything UCRs do not already do, between recruitment and welcome telegrams. Also, to imply that a player is lost if they move to a UCR is mildly insulting.
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Postby Kurnugia » Fri May 11, 2018 6:15 pm

I can somewhat relate to the TI point Roavin. Given my pre-TBH record. But still UCR have to put far more energy to get the same result as a GCR. Which is somewhat unfair towards those UCR that are not OOC asshats and dedicated to NS.
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