Suggestion: 5x5x5 Government Types

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The current government type categorization system has 27 types by triangulating economic freedom, political freedom and civil rights. It determines these freedoms in three types; high, moderate and low. For example, for economic freedom, you have Democratic Socialists at high, Inoffensive Centrist Democracy at moderate, and Capitalist Paradise at high. I propose a system which has five types instead. Very high (80-100 for NS civil/political/economic freedom), high (60-80), moderate (40-60), low (20-40) and very low (0-20). I've spitballed some names for the categorizations in the tables below.

This probably won't be implementable. It's quite cluttered, a lot of the names are, and will probably inevitably by too similar or long, and the silly ones and serious ones don't mesh well together. It may also be hard to implement. If will also be hard to write a blurb for each one, and alternate names for the liberal and conservative themes. But, this was just an idea, that I felt like voicing. Let me know your thoughts, thanks.

Civil Rights: Very High

				Economic Freedom
		Very Low	Low	Moderate	High	Very High
	Very High	Anarcho-Communists	Anarcho-Mutualists	Anarchy	Rugged Individualists	Anarcho-Capitalists
	High	Libertarian Socialists	Social Libertarians	Civil Rights Lovefest	Johnsonian Libertarians	Minarchy
Political Freedom	Moderate	Left-Wing Utopia	"Very Liberal" Liberals	Shameless Libertines	Cosmolibertarians	Libertarian Paradise
	Low	Primal Society	Libertarian Bureaucracy	Apathetic Libertines	Forceful Freedom State	Autarchy
	Very Low	Kid Gloves Socialism	Left-Hoppianism	Libertarian Police State	Anarcho-Monarchy	Hoppe

Civil Rights: High

				Economic Freedom
		Very Low	Low	Moderate	High	Very High
	Very High	Anarcho-Collectivists	Syndicalists	New York TImes Democracy	Individualists	Objectivists
	High	Green Socialists	Social Liberals	Liberals	Classical Liberals	Laissez-Faire Liberals
Political Freedom	Moderate	Socialists	Scandinavial Liberal Paradise	Liberal College State	Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative	Paleolibertarians
	Low	Revolutionary Socialists	Social Autocracy	Regimented College State	Freedom Spreaders	Anti-Mob Rule Zone
	Very Low	Iron Fist Socialism	Compassionate Dictatorship	Liberal Police State	Enlightened Monarchy	Benevolent Dictatorship

Civil Rights: Moderate

				Economic Freedom
		Very Low	Low	Moderate	High	Very High
	Very High	Liberal Democratic Socialists	Liberal Social Democracy	Direct Democracy	Liberal Democratic Marketeers	Corporate Bordello
	High	Democratic Socialists	Social Democrats	Inoffensive Centrist Democracy	Democratic Marketeers	Neo-Liberals
Political Freedom	Moderate	Indecisive Socialists	Social Market State	Inoffensive Centrist Republic	Marketeers	Capitalist Paradise
	Low	Socialist "Republic"	Regulatory Bureaucracy	Bureaucrats	Lobby Central	Corporatocracy
	Very Low	Corrupt Dictatorship	Mother Knows Best State	Inoffensive Centrist Dictatorship	Centrist-Monarchy	Compulsory Consumerist State

Civil Rights: Low

				Economic Freedom
		Very Low	Low	Moderate	High	Very High
	Very High	Left-Wing Populists	Over-zeal By Majority	Populists	Right-Wing Populists	Free-Market Paradise
	High	Democratic Communalists	Democratic Left-Wing Conservatives	Moralistic Democracy	Conservative Democracy	Rightist Democracy
Political Freedom	Moderate	Communalists	Left-Wing Conservatives	Traditionalist Republic	Traditional Conservatives	Right-Wing Utopia
	Low	Tankies	Statists	Moralistic Bureaucracy	Corrupt Conservatives	Auto-Consumerists
	Very Low	Marxist-Leninist Dictatorship	African Despots	Father Knows Best State	Feudal Monarchy	Industrial Monarchy

Civil Rights: Very Low

				Economic Freedom
		Very Low	Low	Moderate	High	Very High
	Very High	National-Syndicalists	Tyranny by Majority	Demagogues	Anarcho-Fascists	/pol/
	High	Authoritarian Democracy	Democratic Left-Wing Reactionaries	Reactionaries	Liberal Fascism	Plutocracy
Political Freedom	Moderate	Authoritarian Republic	Left-Wing Reactionaries	Radical Centrists	Fascist Democracy	Social Darwinists
	Low	Maoists	Authoritarians	National Socialists	Fascist State	Helicopter Zone
	Very Low	Psychotic Dictatorship	National Bolsheviks	Iron Fist Consumerists	Fascist Dictatorship	Corporate Police State

[Arkhall]

>/pol/

That alone is what's not going to get this accepted, imo.

[Drasnia]

>/pol/

That alone is what's not going to get this accepted, imo.

Not to mention other categories like "Tankies", "Helicopter Zone", "African Despots", and "Maoists". The additions to the list seem quite biased towards one side of the political spectrum. Also, there seems to be an over-reliance on RL references for these categories. (This isn't to say RL references are completely disallowed - see Scandinavian Liberal Paradise and New York Times Democracy - but I'd prefer categories that make sense even if you don't get the reference. Liberal Paradise and Democracy both make sense. Does Maoists or Hoppe make sense if you don't know anything about those ideologies/people?)

However, this still isn't tackling the core argument of the proposal - that the list of government classifications needs to be expanded. I don't think there's much inherently wrong with having it be 5^3 other than it feeling all that bloated. However, I don't see any actual need or benefit from implementing more classifications as opposed to staying at 3^3.

[Ransium]

I don’t think I’ve seen a tech proposal before that I had to consider whether to warn for political trolling or not. Congrats!

[Ceolophysia]

Try to make the names a bit less inflammatory, if this is a serious suggestion, because if that's done, I think this is a great idea.

[Zurkerx]

It's not a bad idea although, some names would have to be changed.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

If this idea actually goes through the Economic Freedoms thresholds will need to be reworked. Right now "Low" is -100 to -67/0 to +33, "High" is +67 to +100/-33 to 0, an "Medium" is in between. We could have "Very Low" be -100 to 0, "Low" 0 to 25, "Medium" 25 to 60, "High" 60 to 80, and "Very High" 80 to 100- or we could just do what we have now with all 5 economic freedoms types for both positive and negative values.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

>/pol/

That alone is what's not going to get this accepted, imo.

Not to mention other categories like "Tankies", "Helicopter Zone", "African Despots", and "Maoists". The additions to the list seem quite biased towards one side of the political spectrum. Also, there seems to be an over-reliance on RL references for these categories. (This isn't to say RL references are completely disallowed - see Scandinavian Liberal Paradise and New York Times Democracy - but I'd prefer categories that make sense even if you don't get the reference. Liberal Paradise and Democracy both make sense. Does Maoists or Hoppe make sense if you don't know anything about those ideologies/people?)

However, this still isn't tackling the core argument of the proposal - that the list of government classifications needs to be expanded. I don't think there's much inherently wrong with having it be 5^3 other than it feeling all that bloated. However, I don't see any actual need or benefit from implementing more classifications as opposed to staying at 3^3.

Fair enough, the names are a work in progress, and were basically just spitballs. But with "Maosits" and "Hoppe," you can't have 125 types and not have some types that are a bit esoteric.

Try to make the names a bit less inflammatory, if this is a serious suggestion, because if that's done, I think this is a great idea.

It's not a bad idea although, some names would have to be changed.

So that's stuff like Socialist "Rebublic," Tankies, African Despots, /pol/, Helicopter Manufacturing Zone, possibly An-Monarchy and An-Fascism. Anything else.

If this idea actually goes through the Economic Freedoms thresholds will need to be reworked. Right now "Low" is -100 to -67/0 to +33, "High" is +67 to +100/-33 to 0, an "Medium" is in between. We could have "Very Low" be -100 to 0, "Low" 0 to 25, "Medium" 25 to 60, "High" 60 to 80, and "Very High" 80 to 100- or we could just do what we have now with all 5 economic freedoms types for both positive and negative values.

I didn't realize that. Whoops.

[Drasnia]

I see you still didn't address my real point.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I see you still didn't address my real point.

I think it would be more accurate and have greater variety if it was 5^3.

[Minoa]

A 125-category system would be too complicated for many players, in my opinion.

[Merconitonitopia]

kind of silly. you cannot come up with 125 good distinctive names to describe the differences between them on 3 axes, and your attempt to do so has proven incredibly dismal. you'd also be stepping on an awful lot of tradition that has defined this site and its character since the beginning.

honestly if I were to do it I'd make it 4x4x2 (with political freedom two categories) but again we already have our system and I don't think many people want to see it tampered with.

[X INC]

The current government type categorization system has 27 types by triangulating economic freedom, political freedom and civil rights. It determines these freedoms in three types; high, moderate and low. For example, for economic freedom, you have Democratic Socialists at high, Inoffensive Centrist Democracy at moderate, and Capitalist Paradise at high. I propose a system which has five types instead. Very high (80-100 for NS civil/political/economic freedom), high (60-80), moderate (40-60), low (20-40) and very low (0-20). I've spitballed some names for the categorizations in the tables below.

This probably won't be implementable. It's quite cluttered, a lot of the names are, and will probably inevitably by too similar or long, and the silly ones and serious ones don't mesh well together. It may also be hard to implement. If will also be hard to write a blurb for each one, and alternate names for the liberal and conservative themes. But, this was just an idea, that I felt like voicing. Let me know your thoughts, thanks.

Civil Rights: Very High

				Economic Freedom
		Very Low	Low	Moderate	High	Very High
	Very High	Anarcho-Communists	Anarcho-Mutualists	Anarchy	Rugged Individualists	Anarcho-Capitalists
	High	Libertarian Socialists	Social Libertarians	Civil Rights Lovefest	Johnsonian Libertarians	Minarchy
Political Freedom	Moderate	Left-Wing Utopia	"Very Liberal" Liberals	Shameless Libertines	Cosmolibertarians	Libertarian Paradise
	Low	Primal Society	Libertarian Bureaucracy	Apathetic Libertines	Forceful Freedom State	Autarchy
	Very Low	Kid Gloves Socialism	Left-Hoppianism	Libertarian Police State	Anarcho-Monarchy	Hoppe

Civil Rights: High

				Economic Freedom
		Very Low	Low	Moderate	High	Very High
	Very High	Anarcho-Collectivists	Syndicalists	New York TImes Democracy	Individualists	Objectivists
	High	Green Socialists	Social Liberals	Liberals	Classical Liberals	Laissez-Faire Liberals
Political Freedom	Moderate	Socialists	Scandinavial Liberal Paradise	Liberal College State	Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative	Paleolibertarians
	Low	Revolutionary Socialists	Social Autocracy	Regimented College State	Freedom Spreaders	Anti-Mob Rule Zone
	Very Low	Iron Fist Socialism	Compassionate Dictatorship	Liberal Police State	Enlightened Monarchy	Benevolent Dictatorship

Civil Rights: Moderate

				Economic Freedom
		Very Low	Low	Moderate	High	Very High
	Very High	Liberal Democratic Socialists	Liberal Social Democracy	Direct Democracy	Liberal Democratic Marketeers	Corporate Bordello
	High	Democratic Socialists	Social Democrats	Inoffensive Centrist Democracy	Democratic Marketeers	Neo-Liberals
Political Freedom	Moderate	Indecisive Socialists	Social Market State	Inoffensive Centrist Republic	Marketeers	Capitalist Paradise
	Low	Socialist "Republic"	Regulatory Bureaucracy	Bureaucrats	Lobby Central	Corporatocracy
	Very Low	Corrupt Dictatorship	Mother Knows Best State	Inoffensive Centrist Dictatorship	Centrist-Monarchy	Compulsory Consumerist State

Civil Rights: Low

				Economic Freedom
		Very Low	Low	Moderate	High	Very High
	Very High	Left-Wing Populists	Over-zeal By Majority	Populists	Right-Wing Populists	Free-Market Paradise
	High	Democratic Communalists	Democratic Left-Wing Conservatives	Moralistic Democracy	Conservative Democracy	Rightist Democracy
Political Freedom	Moderate	Communalists	Left-Wing Conservatives	Traditionalist Republic	Traditional Conservatives	Right-Wing Utopia
	Low	Tankies	Statists	Moralistic Bureaucracy	Corrupt Conservatives	Auto-Consumerists
	Very Low	Marxist-Leninist Dictatorship	African Despots	Father Knows Best State	Feudal Monarchy	Industrial Monarchy

Civil Rights: Very Low

				Economic Freedom
		Very Low	Low	Moderate	High	Very High
	Very High	National-Syndicalists	Tyranny by Majority	Demagogues	Anarcho-Fascists	/pol/
	High	Authoritarian Democracy	Democratic Left-Wing Reactionaries	Reactionaries	Liberal Fascism	Plutocracy
Political Freedom	Moderate	Authoritarian Republic	Left-Wing Reactionaries	Radical Centrists	Fascist Democracy	Social Darwinists
	Low	Maoists	Authoritarians	National Socialists	Fascist State	Helicopter Zone
	Very Low	Psychotic Dictatorship	National Bolsheviks	Iron Fist Consumerists	Fascist Dictatorship	Corporate Police State

I like this plan. Maybe with some category renaming, it would work. Personally, I don't see why not to do it.

[Bears Armed]

I'd rather see change to a 4x4 system, with the fourth axis being Environmentalism, so that nations which are economically liberal but still believe in protecting their environments don't get mislabelled as socialists because the game's code doesn't distinguish between those two possible reasons for restricting industry...

[Redenzione]

The argument against it due to "tradition" is a weak one at best. Most "long-timers" won't really care, or even notice, I would think. RP-er's generally ignore those, from my experiences, anyway. Could it be confusion to newbies? Sure, but how isn't the current 3x3x3 confusing, then?

That being said, as-is, it's not too great. Too many bad names and categories. It need to be refined, but that's part of the process.

Bears Armed, how would a 4th axis work? I get a 4x for economics, like hard-line left-ist economics for communism/extreme socialism would be far left, but then wouldn't you need an extreme capitalist far-right economics to balance it, making economics 5x?

[Bears Armed]

Bears Armed, how would a 4th axis work? I get a 4x for economics, like hard-line left-ist economics for communism/extreme socialism would be far left, but then wouldn't you need an extreme capitalist far-right economics to balance it, making economics 5x?

Oops! I meant to say 3x3x3x3...
(Drawing this is left as a puzzle for the reader... )

[Kenmoria]

Bears Armed, how would a 4th axis work? I get a 4x for economics, like hard-line left-ist economics for communism/extreme socialism would be far left, but then wouldn't you need an extreme capitalist far-right economics to balance it, making economics 5x?

Oops! I meant to say 3x3x3x3...
(Drawing this is left as a puzzle for the reader... )

I don't think environmentalism would work as an axis, due to being too similar to a negative version of the economic freedom axis. An extreme capitalist could not regulate the economy.

[Aclion]

*Ehem*