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Tinhampton
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Founded: Oct 05, 2016
Anarchy

More national stats happen to be bang outta order...

Postby Tinhampton » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:00 am

Romanus Neo is, apparently, "is ranked 1st in the world and 1st in the Pacific for Smartest Citizens, with zero Quips Per Hour."(Nothing shows on their trend graph to this extent.) Likewise for Glatton What to do, Sirs and Madames Administrator, about these faulty nations, just like the ones that popped up all over the place last summer?
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DoNoHarm
Political Columnist
 
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Founded: Dec 09, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby DoNoHarm » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:30 am

Was just about to report the same thing.

Backstage poking at stats (with my Candlewhisper Archive account) reveals that this nations background primary stats are entirely in keeping with a small new nation, so there's got to be something weird going on with the calculation.

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Philomathia
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Founded: Feb 15, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Philomathia » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:57 am

Was about to post the same thing. Somehow he only has 6m people and is number 1 in everything. How can you be number one in taxation and freedom from taxation? Nothing appears on his graph, His graph says hes number 1 in everything and yet when you look at all nations in many he's number two.
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Anozia
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Founded: Oct 10, 2010
Democratic Socialists

[Bug] a nation 1st with zeros

Postby Anozia » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:36 am

So today I saw that nation at the top of the World Census Report: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=romanus_neo
Then I've checked the page of the nation, and it's ranked 1st in a ton of things, and just like the stat of the WCR, I guess they're all...zero.
How did this happen?

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Trotterdam
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Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:41 am

If you look at the API shard, you will see that the nation's stats are blank, rather than just zero. I have observed that this seems to happen when a nation is newly created during a period of server lag. It should be fixed when the nation next answers an issue.

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Leutria
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Founded: Oct 29, 2012
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Leutria » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:12 pm

Also was already reported. Just a few posts down in fact.
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=441338


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Anozia
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Founded: Oct 10, 2010
Democratic Socialists

Postby Anozia » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:36 pm

I recognize my "How did this happen?" was maybe not very clear.
I was asking about how it happened from a technical point of view.
I mean for "smartest citizens", it display "zero quirks", so we could assume that stats that are null, undefined or who know what are by default converted to 0.
But then in the rankings a nation should be either in the middle (between positive and negative values) or at the bottom instead of the top.
It's really the technical aspect that interest me.

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Trotterdam
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Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:11 pm

Frisbeeteria unfairly locked another bug report by linking to this thread. It is not at all obvious that these are the same problem, since although they both pertain to the world census behaving oddly, the symptoms are different. The nation in this thread lacks stored census values at all for most scores, and is something that always happens to newly-made nations, as I explained in my previous post (something that I have seen happen on multiple occasions and has relatively consistent behavior, even if it only happens during times of server lag), whereas the broken stat in that thread's nation is clearly non-blank, being reported by both the game's front-end and the API as being 8, and the nation in question has been around for a long time.

EDIT: I see it's been unlocked again.
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Frisbeeteria
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Founded: Dec 16, 2003
Anarchy

Postby Frisbeeteria » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:27 pm

Several nations have been corrected by admin, but the Census will remain borked until the next time it's generated. Please don't make any more reports on Romanus Neo, Glatton, or Vercino.

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Trotterdam
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Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Trotterdam » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:48 pm

While in the past I have usually seen problems of this nature resolve themselves rather quickly, The Judaish People appears to have been broken for several days now despite actively answering issues in that time.

Looking at it, the only broken stats are the zombie-related ones, which aren't actually relevant right now (and explains the not-fixed-by-answering-issues thing). Nonetheless this isn't normal, since newly-created nations do have values for those stats (default 5000000/0/0/0) despite having never participated in a zombie apocalypse.

EDIT: I failed to notice that the World Assembly Endorsements census is bugged too, but the same considerations apply as for the zombie scores.
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He Qixin
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Founded: Aug 28, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby He Qixin » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:43 pm

And so is this nation and stat: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=fly ... ensusid=66

edit: now it's every stat
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jacknjellify wrote:Watch Battle For Dream Island or be eliminated.

According to this index, this civilization is:
Tier: 8
Level: 5
Type: 6
A 9 civilization because I lean more towards it.

This nation is always used to post in the forums unless the forum is the WA, for which I use Triangle and Square, a WA member, to post.

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Candlewhisper Archive
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Founded: Aug 28, 2015
Anarchy

Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:48 am

He Qixin wrote:And so is this nation and stat: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=fly ... ensusid=66


For the record, that nation is currently first in pretty much every category, including directly opposed categories like freedom from taxation and taxation.

I don't envy you fellows having to sort this bug out.
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