NationStates

Hello my fellow players, notorious purgers and moderation alike,

I feel that there is something missingin the National Rank Categories, which is specifically badges for nations which have ejected most nations world wide. There should be a ranking and badge.

I do not want to encourage other nations to purge but at least there should be a way to count it.

I mean, I look down my nation feed everyday and I feel it's the most precious thing in the Universe, I would like to have some sort of permanent count of this.

Thank you for your consideration.
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Purgemaster General.

I am always for more valuable data that involves regional gameplay.

Pergamon wrote:I do not want to encourage other nations to purge but at least there should be a way to count it.

The problem is that there will be some that would see it as a badge of honor, that could be a positive or negative thing, depending on your perspective.

The New California Republic wrote:

Pergamon wrote:I do not want to encourage other nations to purge but at least there should be a way to count it.

The problem is that there will be some that would see it as a badge of honor, that could be a positive or negative thing, depending on your perspective.

So? People endotart for a badge of honor.

Pergamon wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:The problem is that there will be some that would see it as a badge of honor, that could be a positive or negative thing, depending on your perspective.

So? People endotart for a badge of honor.

True, but endotarting isn't really the same as booting countless people out of a region to earn a badge, is it? I mean, let's be honest here...

The New California Republic wrote:

Pergamon wrote:
So? People endotart for a badge of honor.

True, but endotarting isn't really the same as booting countless people out of a region to earn a badge, is it? I mean, let's be honest here...

They already reward nations for bad behavior, it's called: a condemnation.

Pergamon wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:True, but endotarting isn't really the same as booting countless people out of a region to earn a badge, is it? I mean, let's be honest here...

They already reward nations for bad behavior, it's called: a condemnation.

And you want to add a new way of doing that? Rewarding bad behavior?

The New California Republic wrote:

Pergamon wrote:
They already reward nations for bad behavior, it's called: a condemnation.

And you want to add a new way of doing that? Rewarding bad behavior?

Bad is relative when purging people. It's either good when you're cleaning a region or its bad when you're purging denizens of your target.

Jar Wattinree wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:And you want to add a new way of doing that? Rewarding bad behavior?

Bad is relative when purging people. It's either good when you're cleaning a region or its bad when you're purging denizens of your target.

Indeed, but what we are discussing here is the risk that this could encourage ejecting for its own sake.

The New California Republic wrote:

Jar Wattinree wrote:Bad is relative when purging people. It's either good when you're cleaning a region or its bad when you're purging denizens of your target.

Indeed, but what we are discussing here is the risk that this could encourage ejecting for its own sake.

Could also encourage people to hold warzones (e.g. ejection count). There are good and bad sides about it, I feel like it's a proper suggestion for gameplay and provides a new method of rewarding players for taking action in the game.

Personally I think it's an amusing idea, if a bit biased towards yourself Perg

The New California Republic wrote:

Pergamon wrote:I do not want to encourage other nations to purge but at least there should be a way to count it.

The problem is that there will be some that would see it as a badge of honor, that could be a positive or negative thing, depending on your perspective.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. In a similar way that the most world assembly endorsements is something of a badge of how much of an internet love machine your region is, this can be a rating of how much of an internet secret police you are. Think of it as the official cheka leaderboards.

It is also open to abuse. I mean, think about it, what is to stop someone with regional control from pairing up with a friend, and endlessly ejecting and readmitting their friend's nations to inflate their Most Nations Ejected total? That exploit would be in widespread use in less than a day.

The New California Republic wrote:It is also open to abuse. I mean, think about it, what is to stop someone with regional control from pairing up with a friend, and endlessly ejecting and readmitting their friend's nations to inflate their Most Nations Ejected total? That exploit would be in widespread use in less than a day.

Puppet flooding? There are rules against puppet flooding.

Pergamon wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:It is also open to abuse. I mean, think about it, what is to stop someone with regional control from pairing up with a friend, and endlessly ejecting and readmitting their friend's nations to inflate their Most Nations Ejected total? That exploit would be in widespread use in less than a day.

Puppet flooding? There are rules against puppet flooding.

It probably wouldn't really be puppet flooding as such, as it wouldn't really fall within its definition:

Violet wrote:Puppet Flooding: Any player or group of players creating large numbers of puppets for the purpose of spamming, harassing, or annoying a region, be they invaders, defenders, or natives.

Whether such behavior would be classed as "spamming, harassing, or annoying a region" would probably be decided on a case-by-case basis. I'm sure a mod or admin will be along soon to contribute to the thread, and maybe clarify whether such behavior would be puppet flooding.

The New California Republic wrote:It is also open to abuse. I mean, think about it, what is to stop someone with regional control from pairing up with a friend, and endlessly ejecting and readmitting their friend's nations to inflate their Most Nations Ejected total? That exploit would be in widespread use in less than a day.

I think there's the implication that if you unban a nation it would take away from your score.

Jar Wattinree wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:It is also open to abuse. I mean, think about it, what is to stop someone with regional control from pairing up with a friend, and endlessly ejecting and readmitting their friend's nations to inflate their Most Nations Ejected total? That exploit would be in widespread use in less than a day.

I think there's the implication that if you unban a nation it would take away from your score.

You can only have so many nations banned at a time though so you'd just see a massive tie at the top.
And you don't need a friend, you can just do it with puppets.

Jar Wattinree wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:It is also open to abuse. I mean, think about it, what is to stop someone with regional control from pairing up with a friend, and endlessly ejecting and readmitting their friend's nations to inflate their Most Nations Ejected total? That exploit would be in widespread use in less than a day.

I think there's the implication that if you unban a nation it would take away from your score.

The OP just says ejected though
How about most unique nations ejected?

Lord Dominator wrote:

Jar Wattinree wrote:I think there's the implication that if you unban a nation it would take away from your score.

The OP just says ejected though
How about most unique nations ejected?

That might be hellish to code, or it could be really simple. But such is the case with all code I suppose.

Just something off-the-top of my brain; my two cents toward the discussion.

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So...

Question: Could puppets be counted in the ranking?

Because what's to keep me from just ejecting any puppets I make from my own region? I could just make a limitless number of them in order to give myself the badge.

If the answer is a no, this proposed WA census/nation ranking will need to know what nations belong to any given player to prevent inflation of the stat number.

All hail Purge-amon! Add the category!

"Rejected Realms Contribution Index"

Vespertania wrote:If the answer is a no, this proposed WA census/nation ranking will need to know what nations belong to any given player to prevent inflation of the stat number.

That's pretty much a deal breaker then.

Frisbeeteria wrote:

Vespertania wrote:If the answer is a no, this proposed WA census/nation ranking will need to know what nations belong to any given player to prevent inflation of the stat number.

That's pretty much a deal breaker then.

A different way to measure this might be to have a stat for how much influence has been spent on ejecting/banning nations from the region. Then it would be senseless to use puppet-flooding as a method to abuse the stat.

Galiantus III wrote:

Frisbeeteria wrote:That's pretty much a deal breaker then.

A different way to measure this might be to have a stat for how much influence has been spent on ejecting/banning nations from the region. Then it would be senseless to use puppet-flooding as a method to abuse the stat.

Once again Galiantus, you impress me.

I agree fully with this thought.

Hmm. What about most times ejected? That would be hilarious On another note, full support, always looking for more statistics to look at