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The New California Republic
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:46 pm

Vulturret wrote:On another note, full support, always looking for more statistics to look at :)

Even in light of all the various issues with it that have been pointed out?
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Pergamon
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Ex-Nation

Postby Pergamon » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:18 pm

Galiantus III wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:That's pretty much a deal breaker then.


A different way to measure this might be to have a stat for how much influence has been spent on ejecting/banning nations from the region. Then it would be senseless to use puppet-flooding as a method to abuse the stat.


Influence spent. That actually sounds interesting.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:25 pm

Pergamon wrote:
Galiantus III wrote:
A different way to measure this might be to have a stat for how much influence has been spent on ejecting/banning nations from the region. Then it would be senseless to use puppet-flooding as a method to abuse the stat.


Influence spent. That actually sounds interesting.

Seems reasonable to count nations with no influence, like the just-founded ones you so enjoy whacking, as one influence each.

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Jar Wattinree » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:29 pm

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Postby Merconitonitopia » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:38 am

the census only makes sense if it applies to most nations. 99.99% of nations have never and will never eject a nation, putting them at 0, so you could be put anywhere from 100% to 0.1% with the same data.

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Postby Maltropia » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:37 am

Merconitonitopia wrote:the census only makes sense if it applies to most nations. 99.99% of nations have never and will never eject a nation, putting them at 0, so you could be put anywhere from 100% to 0.1% with the same data.

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Postby VoVoDoCo » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:47 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Vulturret wrote:On another note, full support, always looking for more statistics to look at :)

Even in light of all the various issues with it that have been pointed out?

Measuring influence spent rather than the actual quantity of ejections assuages many of those issues imo.
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Postby Aclion » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:24 am

Merconitonitopia wrote:the census only makes sense if it applies to most nations. 99.99% of nations have never and will never eject a nation, putting them at 0, so you could be put anywhere from 100% to 0.1% with the same data.

Only really an issue if there was going to be a least nations ejected stat.
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Postby Unibot III » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:13 am

I'm in favour of this idea. It's hilarious.
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Postby Leutria » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:10 pm

Aclion wrote:
Merconitonitopia wrote:the census only makes sense if it applies to most nations. 99.99% of nations have never and will never eject a nation, putting them at 0, so you could be put anywhere from 100% to 0.1% with the same data.

Only really an issue if there was going to be a least nations ejected stat.

Although, you currently get people complaining about being in the top 10% of WA endorsements despite not being in the WA. Imagine how many more complaints (or rather, ‘bug reports’) from people who are in the top 10%, maybe even 5% of nations ejected despite never having ejected a nation.

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Postby Galiantus III » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:24 pm

I've got an idea: only list this stat for WA delegates. We have already discussed being able to sort the WA delegates page by number of endorsements, and this could just be another stat to rank them by. The unfortunate thing is this would exclude ROs, though.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:30 pm

Galiantus III wrote:I've got an idea: only list this stat for WA delegates. We have already discussed being able to sort the WA delegates page by number of endorsements, and this could just be another stat to rank them by. The unfortunate thing is this would exclude ROs, though.

I was thinking that it be a Stat either limited to those who have ejected, or just doesn't rank those who haven't. Like everyone who hasn't would automatically be top 100%, and 1-99% would be those who have ejected.

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Postby Galiantus III » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:05 pm

That would be a good way to do it. Of course, if we did that, would we then expect Admin to do the same for WA endorsements? Because that would make more sense than the current system.
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For some reason I have a mental image of a dolphin, trying to organize a new pod of his fellow dolphins to change the course of a nuclear sub. It's entertaining, I'll give ya that.
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Postby Aclion » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:05 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Galiantus III wrote:I've got an idea: only list this stat for WA delegates. We have already discussed being able to sort the WA delegates page by number of endorsements, and this could just be another stat to rank them by. The unfortunate thing is this would exclude ROs, though.

I was thinking that it be a Stat either limited to those who have ejected, or just doesn't rank those who haven't. Like everyone who hasn't would automatically be top 100%, and 1-99% would be those who have ejected.

If that's a thing that can be done then I'd like to see it for world assembly endorsements. But for tracking ejections it's more complicated. A nation may become a world assemble delegate, eject some people, and then lose the position. Would they still be tracked? If so you'd have to track everyone who'd ever been one, which leads to the same issue; or check if their influence spent is >0. And even then you'd only be getting the delegate, not the BC officers.

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Aclion wrote:Only really an issue if there was going to be a least nations ejected stat.

Although, you currently get people complaining about being in the top 10% of WA endorsements despite not being in the WA. Imagine how many more complaints (or rather, ‘bug reports’) from people who are in the top 10%, maybe even 5% of nations ejected despite never having ejected a nation.

I guess.
Never really saw people complaining about stuff like that as an issue.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:07 pm

Aclion wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:I was thinking that it be a Stat either limited to those who have ejected, or just doesn't rank those who haven't. Like everyone who hasn't would automatically be top 100%, and 1-99% would be those who have ejected.

If that's a thing that can be done then I'd like to see it for world assembly endorsements. But for tracking ejections it's more complicated. A nation may become a world assemble delegate, eject some people, and then lose the position. Would they still be tracked? If so you'd have to track everyone who'd ever been one, which leads to the same issue; or check if their influence spent is >0. And even then you'd only be getting the delegate, not the BC officers.

I don't see any reason to stop tracking those who've lost the ability to eject. Keep in mind, my idea has no limits on who is ranked other than a separation between those who have ejected and those who haven't.

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Postby Aclion » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:12 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Aclion wrote:If that's a thing that can be done then I'd like to see it for world assembly endorsements. But for tracking ejections it's more complicated. A nation may become a world assemble delegate, eject some people, and then lose the position. Would they still be tracked? If so you'd have to track everyone who'd ever been one, which leads to the same issue; or check if their influence spent is >0. And even then you'd only be getting the delegate, not the BC officers.

I don't see any reason to stop tracking those who've lost the ability to eject. Keep in mind, my idea has no limits on who is ranked other than a separation between those who have ejected and those who haven't.

It would make the ranking overrepresent ejections by quite a lot to exclude so many nations that could eject but haven't.
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Postby Galiantus III » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:22 pm

Aclion wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:I don't see any reason to stop tracking those who've lost the ability to eject. Keep in mind, my idea has no limits on who is ranked other than a separation between those who have ejected and those who haven't.

It would make the ranking overrepresent ejections by quite a lot to exclude so many nations that could eject but haven't.


How about if we include those who either have ejected, or who are currently in a position to eject, and exclude nations that were in a position to eject but didn't?
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