Beta 006: Lifespan

[Divitalia]

Wow, this would bring me from about 30.5 to 81

[Fauxia]

I’d also like to ask- will the difference in lifespan of newly founded capitalist nations in comparison to socialist ones increase?

[46566]

I don't mind this though I'm one of the ones with a big jump. I gain 72 years roughly. From 23 to 95 years.

That seems a bit much...

I see similarly enormous effects on nations such as Christian Democrats, Digmound, and Sovereign Default. I think the beta is just a bit imbalanced.

I’ve wanted this for a while, though. Most NS nations are developed nations, and developed nations should have lifespan in the 70+ range

It could be to much focus on the economic numbers maybe. I think I put a decent amount in public health Care and my poorest make allot. I think the biggest thing might also be how much the environmental increase or decrease is handled.

[[violet]]

I see similarly enormous effects on nations such as Christian Democrats, Digmound, and Sovereign Default. I think the beta is just a bit imbalanced.

A large change might mean the beta is flawed, or instead that it fixes a large problem in the existing algorithm. We want to find nations that seem to make less sense under the beta than they do now.

[The New California Republic]

I see similarly enormous effects on nations such as Christian Democrats, Digmound, and Sovereign Default. I think the beta is just a bit imbalanced.

A large change might mean the beta is flawed, or instead that it fixes a large problem in the existing algorithm. We want to find nations that seem to make less sense under the beta than they do now.

I'd say that my current stat for lifespan makes no sense at all because of the existing algorithm being flawed, but the beta for the same stat makes far more sense. I will admit that the increase in my case is ridiculously massive, an increase of 223%, but it is far better than the equally ridiculously low lifespan of 27.97 years that I currently have. I cannot think of any possible reason for the lifespan being that low, except the existing algorithm being completely borked.

I will admit that there are probably some nations where the change upwards or downwards in the beta won't make as much sense, but I'm sure that will be sorted out in time, once the code has been tweaked a bit more to balance it.

[Belshekistan]

I support

[[violet]]

I cannot think of any possible reason for the lifespan being that low, except the existing algorithm being completely borked.

Under the existing model, the usual reason why an economically developed nation has a very low lifespan is that the environment is exerting an overwhelming effect. This is certainly the case in The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic.

[Trotterdam]

So I noticed something interesting:
http://www.nationstates.net/page=beta?beta=6&nation=wolfcubs
Apparently, this nation's Lifespan and Death Rate would both increase with this change?

Overall it seems nearly all nations would see a Lifespan increase - when I did a random test, only one out of fifty saw Lifespan decrease.

[Pencil Sharpeners 2]

So I noticed something interesting:
http://www.nationstates.net/page=beta?beta=6&nation=wolfcubs
Apparently, this nation's Lifespan and Death Rate would both increase with this change?

Rescaling:

Also, not sure if this is a bug, or just as a result of some rescaling, but Pinkiopia sees substantial increases in both lifespan and death rate.

It's the rescaling. Currently Pinkiopia is ranked low in the world on both Lifespan and Death Rate! Under the beta, Pinkiopia's average lifespan will increase a little but still be less than average, while its Death Rate will increase a lot and be higher than average.

[The New California Republic]

I cannot think of any possible reason for the lifespan being that low, except the existing algorithm being completely borked.

Under the existing model, the usual reason why an economically developed nation has a very low lifespan is that the environment is exerting an overwhelming effect. This is certainly the case in The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic.

Oh, the environment, that little thing? We often just ignore it.

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

Off-topic. Presently, Beta 006 topic has 35 replies and 606 views. When number of replies hit 59+1, except views exceed 699, the evil cometh!!!!!!!

On-topic: pre-emp the beast, implement this now! (And lock thread)

[Krampusreich]

I support this. The current model for tracking lifespan feels inadequate, in my opinion.

This new model may require some mechanical tweaking, but overall it makes more sense.

Out of curiosity, how will it affect nations with universal health care? (My nation has this.)

[He Qixin]

Still a query though, why does this beta affect some nations more than others? I mean my citizens' average lifespans just increased from approximately 74 to 83 years, or an increase of just about 9 years.

[Morizari]

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[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

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Post with your main!

[Krampusreich]

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Post with your main!

I meant that the nation I am currently posting with has Universal Health Care. Check the policies before saying something like that.

[Bears Armed]

OVerall it seems nearly all nations would see a Lifespan increase - when I did a random test, only one out of fifty saw Lifespan decrease.

So few? Oh well, I did intend this nation to be unusual...

Scale World Rank Current Beta Change %
#44. Longest Average Lifespans (Years) 1,567th 92.19 42.05 -50.14 ⇣54.4%
#5. Highest Unexpected Death Rate (Bus Surprisal Index) 179,336th 19.32 137.64 +118.32 ⇡612%
#68. Most Developed (Human Development Index) 4,991st 91.4 74.69 -16.71 ⇣18.3%


(I considered the previous calculation to be too high, I consider the new one to be too low: The "real" value, as I see it, was & is about halfway between these...)

[Krampusreich]

OVerall it seems nearly all nations would see a Lifespan increase - when I did a random test, only one out of fifty saw Lifespan decrease.

So few? Oh well, I did inrtend this nation to be unusual...

Scale World Rank Current Beta Change %
#44. Longest Average Lifespans (Years) 1,567th 92.19 42.05 -50.14 ⇣54.4%
#5. Highest Unexpected Death Rate (Bus Surprisal Index) 179,336th 19.32 137.64 +118.32 ⇡612%
#68. Most Developed (Human Development Index) 4,991st 91.4 74.69 -16.71 ⇣18.3%


(I considered the previous calculation to be too high, I consider the new one to be too low: The "real" value, as I see it, was & is about halfway between these...)

Apparently I'll be seeing a 61.9% decrease in death rate, and an average lifespan increase of about 13 years. Must be that government money at work, getting people their iodine tablets and prussian blue.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Still a query though, why does this beta affect some nations more than others? I mean my citizens' average lifespans just increased from approximately 74 to 83 years, or an increase of just about 9 years.

Because different nations are different?

[He Qixin]

Still a query though, why does this beta affect some nations more than others? I mean my citizens' average lifespans just increased from approximately 74 to 83 years, or an increase of just about 9 years.

Because different nations are different?

Probably.

[Arkhall]

Damn it. I liked having an OP science nation where everyone died at 26.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Damn it. I liked having an OP science nation where everyone died at 26.

Hmm, well the beta suggests you're going from 59.65 to 70.35, so you didn't have that anyway.

In the meantime, I'll be going from 22.18 to 22.96, which goes to show that even if you downgrade the impact of environment on lifespan you can still have a lifespan score that is primary destroyed by crappy environment. You've just gotta have a REALLY crappy environment.

[The New California Republic]

In the meantime, I'll be going from 22.18 to 22.96, which goes to show that even if you downgrade the impact of environment on lifespan you can still have a lifespan score that is primary destroyed by crappy environment. You've just gotta have a REALLY crappy environment.

My environment is appalling, but life expectancy will go up from 28.08 to 90.33: https://www.nationstates.net/page=beta? ... a_republic

I mean, look at this: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the ... ensusid=63

So even having a really trashy environment doesn't guarantee that life expectancy won't go up once the new beta is implemented.

[A-Failed-State]

Well, with the worst economy possible,I still get a 5.80 increase In Lifespan.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

In the meantime, I'll be going from 22.18 to 22.96, which goes to show that even if you downgrade the impact of environment on lifespan you can still have a lifespan score that is primary destroyed by crappy environment. You've just gotta have a REALLY crappy environment.

My environment is appalling, but life expectancy will go up from 28.08 to 90.33: https://www.nationstates.net/page=beta? ... a_republic

I mean, look at this: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the ... ensusid=63

So even having a really trashy environment doesn't guarantee that life expectancy won't go up once the new beta is implemented.

For sure, its just a rebalancing of various factors, and environment has been downgraded. But trust me when I say that for me personally, my environment remains the cause of my poor lifespan. In backstage game terms, my environment is about 3 times worse than yours...

The front of stage stat doesn't really reflect how many anti-environment decisions I've taken, as there' scaling algorithms, but my environment really did take three times as many awful anti-environment decisions as yours did.