Possibilities for the Security Council

[Unibot III]

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Can we possibly discuss the possibility of Unibot's idea to give regions feeder status through an SC vote? I think it might have merit, especially after I saw the other thread >_>

I don't think that was my idea.

[Lenlyvit]

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Can we possibly discuss the possibility of Unibot's idea to give regions feeder status through an SC vote? I think it might have merit, especially after I saw the other thread >_>

I don't think that was my idea.

Uuummmm.... oops. Now I can't find the post, and I forgot who made it. Haaaaallllppppp

[Lenlyvit]

But yeah, I think a possible SC vote to give a UCR feeder status might be an interesting idea.

[Galiantus III]

But yeah, I think a possible SC vote to give a UCR feeder status might be an interesting idea.

It's been discussed before. See this topic.

[Fauxia]

That’s a terrible idea. It’s too important to leave to the masses. It’s something for admin to do, not the individual nations

[Tim-Opolis]

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Can we possibly discuss the possibility of Unibot's idea to give regions feeder status through an SC vote? I think it might have merit, especially after I saw the other thread >_>

While intriguing in concept, here's how that would go in practice:

A. The Feeders bloc vote against any attempt to give another region Feeder status
B. The only possible additions to the Feeder ranks would be close allies of the Feeders who will then also refer back to Point A for their strategy moving forward.

It'll just be a situation of the metaphorical rich getting richer.

[Lenlyvit]

Has anyone ever given Condemnations a thought? Like side-effects and stuff? What if a Condemnation locked someone's WA status to the condemned nation, so they could no longer switch WA status?

[Roavin]

Dear God no, why?

[Galiantus III]

Has anyone ever given Condemnations a thought? Like side-effects and stuff? What if a Condemnation locked someone's WA status to the condemned nation, so they could no longer switch WA status?

I don't think it's feasible to punish individual nations via the WA. If a proposal affects someone in a negative way, they'll just switch; and if the punishment is that they can't switch, then the only meaningful application is as a way to prevent a specific raider from tag-raiding. It is far more interesting to introduce consequences for entire regions instead of individuals. And since the point of a condemnation is more RP than anything else, any new features would serve us best if implemented as a new category, rather than as a modification of an old category.

[Clean Land]

Ok here are two more possibilities:

Preserve
A resolution preventing a region from ceasing to exist. Incompatible with Liberation and Appoint Supervisor

Now you can lock down a region with an incredibly complex password, and then let the SC make it permanent, if the natives want it.
This also can used to prevent refounds... but because it is incompatible with Liberations it cannot fully prevent a region from being a trophy region.
(and of course it can also be used offensively)

Appoint Supervisor
A resolution to appoint a nation the Supervisor of a region. The supervisor, upon passage, is removed from the regional banlist, cannot be banned or ejected by anyone except the executive Founder, and their posts can only be supressed by the executive Founder. Incompatible with Liberation and Preserve.

The catch here is obviously that the Supervisor has no access to a secret password, so they cannot go past any passwords they don't know.

[Lenlyvit]

Ok here are two more possibilities:

Preserve
A resolution preventing a region from ceasing to exist. Incompatible with Liberation and Appoint Supervisor

Now you can lock down a region with an incredibly complex password, and then let the SC make it permanent, if the natives want it.
This also can used to prevent refounds... but because it is incompatible with Liberations it cannot fully prevent a region from being a trophy region.
(and of course it can also be used offensively)

Appoint Supervisor
A resolution to appoint a nation the Supervisor of a region. The supervisor, upon passage, is removed from the regional banlist, cannot be banned or ejected by anyone except the executive Founder, and their posts can only be supressed by the executive Founder. Incompatible with Liberation and Preserve.

The catch here is obviously that the Supervisor has no access to a secret password, so they cannot go past any passwords they don't know.

Whew, this was all the way back on page 10 and I didn't see your post until now. They aren't bad ideas, ill add them to the OP. Also, anyone have any ideas on side effects for condemnations/commendations?

[Galiantus III]

I don't think condemnations and commendations should have effects, as then you run into the question of what that would mean for past proposals. Any discussion surrounding adding affects to SC proposals should introduce them as new categories, not modifications to things already in use.

[Lord Dominator]

I don't think condemnations and commendations should have effects, as then you run into the question of what that would mean for past proposals. Any discussion surrounding adding affects to SC proposals should introduce them as new categories, not modifications to things already in use.

I very much agree with this

[Aclion]

I don't think condemnations and commendations should have effects, as then you run into the question of what that would mean for past proposals. Any discussion surrounding adding affects to SC proposals should introduce them as new categories, not modifications to things already in use.

Depending on the specifics of how it's coded it might not apply to old proposals.

[Galiantus III]

I don't think condemnations and commendations should have effects, as then you run into the question of what that would mean for past proposals. Any discussion surrounding adding affects to SC proposals should introduce them as new categories, not modifications to things already in use.

Depending on the specifics of how it's coded it might not apply to old proposals.

Perhaps, but then the way that people approach those proposals would have to change significantly. Right now Condemnations and Commendations are treated as trophies and ways for its members to mark individuals and regions they see as being particularly good or bad. As soon as you add a secondary consequence on top of that marking function, you interfere with that particular functionality, as there will no longer be a way to simply commend or condemn. In effect, this would remove the current categories, and replace them with something else.

That said, there is a bit of a difference with how to approach this whether we're talking about Commendations or Condemnations. In the case of Commendations, if you were to add some kind of benefit or reward for the target nations and/or regions, I don't think there would be too significant change in how they are used, and I don't think the effect would be so much of a replacement as an upgrade. Obviously this depends on the specifics of the change.

In the case of Condemnations, however, if you were to add some real consequences to their targets, then the way people treat them would significantly change. Condemning nations would not make much sense anymore, since the person being targeted could just switch nations in order to escape the consequences. And for regions, the fundamental problem still remains that the function of the category would serve a very different function than it did in the past.

In the past there has been a bit of discussion around the idea of adding new categories to the SC. A little over a year ago, Unibot proposed some new categories of his own, and more recently, Lenly actually suggested creating a new branch of the WA.

[Lord Dominator]

Man this is annoying me, but I noticed that 'possibilities' in the title is spelled wrong

[Lenlyvit]

Man this is annoying me, but I noticed that 'possibilities' in the title is spelled wrong

Yeah, I fixed it lol. I really let this thread die *dusts off*. I have a plan to bring it back to activity and discussion though ^_^ Ill mostly be posting on Kuriko, but ill use Lenlyvit to update the thread op.

[Fauxia]

Man this is annoying me, but I noticed that 'possibilities' in the title is spelled wrong

Hey I said it two months before you!

[Kuriko]

Man this is annoying me, but I noticed that 'possibilities' in the title is spelled wrong

Hey I said it two months before you!

Oh man, how did I miss that?

[United Massachusetts]

I don't think that was my idea.

Uuummmm.... oops. Now I can't find the post, and I forgot who made it. Haaaaallllppppp

CD, iirc.

Also, there needs to be some mechanism to ensure a chance of failure. Because WA Peacekeepers are probably very inept, if history shows us.

[Azadistan-land of the free]

I think there should be a type of resolution called Peacekeeping Mission authorising WA nations to send troops to a specific nation or region.

[Kuriko]

I think there should be a type of resolution called Peacekeeping Mission authorising WA nations to send troops to a specific nation or region.

How would that work though? We already have military gameplay where any nation can go anywhere. What are your thoughts?

[United Massachusetts]

I think there should be a type of resolution called Peacekeeping Mission authorising WA nations to send troops to a specific nation or region.

How would that work though? We already have military gameplay where any nation can go anywhere. What are your thoughts?

Interesting idea.


Relocate X: Relocates a given nation or region to another region (by force)

ie. I could author a resolution relocating every nation in the South Pacific to the Communist Bloc.

Or, I could specifically relocate Tsunamy to the Communist Bloc.

[United Massachusetts]

Interesting idea.


Relocate X: Relocates a given nation or region to another region (by force)

That seems convoluted and slightly unfair to players.

I don't think it's a good idea; it's just fun to imagine. That's how I interpreted the above person's comment.

[Kuriko]

I don't think it's a good idea; it's just fun to imagine. That's how I interpreted the above person's comment.

Ah, that makes more sense.

My concern was simply it could tear apart quiet RP Regions or nations.

I agree that that may be a bad idea, the way UM explained it.