Compulsory Veganism Policy Proposal

[Wealation]

Please create a Compulsory Veganism Policy in addition to Vegetarianism Policy because modern Vegetarianism means eating eggs, milk and cheese, which is more cruel to animals than eating meat, since most of the animals have to suffer longer (years) and when they become old and don't produce anymore, they'll be slaughtered.

Compulsory Veganism Policy will be added if you choose to ban meat in the issue: More Broccoli, Beg Meat-Eaters (https://nsindex.net/wiki/NationStates_Issue_No._205). 1 of the outcomes:

Illegal hunting is rife after veganism was recently made compulsory.

Please understand that I propose an additional policy, I don't intend to start an argument.

[Jebslund]

I would say this should be its own issue, rather than a result of banning meat, for the simple reason that some ethical vegetarians do not consider eggs, dairy, and milk to be cruel (please remember that your personal view on those is not the only one), and would therefore ban meat while allowing milk, dairy, and eggs.

[Ransium]

Yeah, there is currently no issue that explicitly makes the country vegan, so there can be no way policy.

[Hatterleigh]

You can't just put an entire population on a highly restrictive and generally unenjoyable diet, that is totally dictatorial. Also, there is no place to put the millions upon millions of livestock without causing environmental catastrophe or just slaughtering them all, and also this'd put millions of people out of a job. This doesn't even account for synthetic meats which will most likely become important in the meat industry in the next few decades.

[Jebslund]

You can't just put an entire population on a highly restrictive and generally unenjoyable diet, that is totally dictatorial. Also, there is no place to put the millions upon millions of livestock without causing environmental catastrophe or just slaughtering them all, and also this'd put millions of people out of a job. This doesn't even account for synthetic meats which will most likely become important in the meat industry in the next few decades.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but NS isn't really about only allowing people to run democracies or places that support civil rights. I agree with Wealation in that Veganism should be a policy option, and draw your attention to:

Please understand that I propose an additional policy, I don't intend to start an argument.

[Ransium]

You can't just put an entire population on a highly restrictive and generally unenjoyable diet, that is totally dictatorial. Also, there is no place to put the millions upon millions of livestock without causing environmental catastrophe or just slaughtering them all, and also this'd put millions of people out of a job. This doesn't even account for synthetic meats which will most likely become important in the meat industry in the next few decades.

Issues in NS do all sorts of things that are highly dictatorial and completely unreasonable. I wrote a draft for an issue that allowed nations to outlaw breathing. This isn’t a topic that’s asking for debate on the subject of complulsory veganism, please take that elsewhere.

[Leutria]

Write an issue enacting and repealing compulsory veganism (drafting in the Got Issues forum ideally), and if they are accepted it is possible that they would be implemented with a compulsory veganism policy.

[Wealation]

Write an issue enacting and repealing compulsory veganism (drafting in the Got Issues forum ideally), and if they are accepted it is possible that they would be implemented with a compulsory veganism policy.

There is already an issue that does exactly what you suggested: More Broccoli, Beg Meat-Eaters (https://nsindex.net/wiki/NationStates_Issue_No._205). 1 of the outcomes: 14 hours ago: Following new legislation in Wealation, illegal hunting is rife after veganism was recently made compulsory.

[Wealation]

Issues in NS do all sorts of things that are highly dictatorial and completely unreasonable. I wrote a draft for an issue that allowed nations to outlaw breathing. This isn’t a topic that’s asking for debate on the subject of complulsory veganism, please take that elsewhere.

Can you please tell me where I can propose this?

[Merconitonitopia]

Yeah, there is currently no issue that explicitly makes the country vegan, so there can be no way policy.

yes, there is. of the issue provided, #205.2:

We must maintain our ban on meat-eating, and, moreover, outlaw all other animal-derivative products such as eggs, milk and honey.
the tagline thereof
Illegal hunting is rife after veganism was recently made compulsory.

I wrote a draft for an issue that allowed nations to outlaw breathing.

no breathing in class!

[Trotterdam]

Yeah, there is currently no issue that explicitly makes the country vegan, so there can be no way policy.

2. "They're not malnourished, they're just ignorant idiots!" rants @@RANDOMNAME@@, nutritionist and former animal liberationist. "Do you really expect the average joe to know anything about vitamins and nutrition? You don't just get protein or iron in red meat and if we could make this clearer to everyone with a nationwide 'Getting to Terms with Vegetarianism' programme so the populace learns how to eat healthily we would see a difference. Besides, meat-eating is a waste of resources, cruel to animals, and a drain on the environment. We must maintain our ban on meat-eating, and, moreover, outlaw all other animal-derivative products such as eggs, milk, and honey."

In what fantasy land is this not making the country vegan?

#483 option 4 can also be argued to institute compulsory veganism - at least as strongly as it can be argued to institute compulsory vegetarianism, which was editor policy at at least some point, but it's been indicated that the option received changes that don't appear to be in the spoiler thread yet, so I'm not sure where the current version stands.

#431 option 3 bans the keeping of animals in captivity (mainly talking about pets, but the wording implies it would apply to all animals), which would necessarily imply veganism in practice, though that's not spelled out.

[Ransium]

Okay I agree I was wrong. It would be best if there was an issue that was specifically reversing the veganism ban (not just piggiebacking of the vegetarianism reversal). Honestly though, the difference between mandatory vegetarianism and mandatory veganism seems like a model granularity issue that isn’t worth the time it would take to implement. But, a good enough reversal issue is would probably change my mind.