by Azurius » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:29 pm
by Fauxia » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:20 pm
by Azurius » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:55 pm
Fauxia wrote:The problem is that income tax is not the only source of government income, nor is income (as in payment for jobs) the only way for people to get money. I may have a 100% income tax rate, but my other taxes are basically nonexistent, and my welfare system goves money back to the people.
by Fauxia » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:13 pm
by Azurius » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:40 pm
Fauxia wrote:My point is that your idea does not work, not that we have to add other taxation forms. The simulation tries to be accurate, and yours isn’t
The taxation is personal, not corporate. So a trickle-down country might have 20% consumption but 40% taxation. That’s an accurate simulation
Also, the people might be getting stuff, but they didn’t choose to get them, therefore it can’t count as income. Would you like it if a corporation gave you healthcare as part of your salary and counted it as your income? I doubt it. Therefore you can’t make government goods and services that way
by Bears Armed » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:04 am
Azurius wrote:Once again where do these missing 73.9% go...?
by Fauxia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:11 am
by Azurius » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:38 pm
Fauxia wrote:What you are trying to do is say that whenencer I bring up other forms of taxation, you think I want a stat. This is not correct, but you are ignoring that government’s do have other types of taxes than personal income taxes. Clearly, your nation doesn’t have a high business tax, as your industry is still noticeable. Personal income tax isn’t the largest source of government consumption, but since its what people will really care about, it is the taxation stat
by Fauxia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:24 pm
by Azurius » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:31 pm
Fauxia wrote:Just because there isn’t a stat doesn’t mean we don’t have it
by Green Fauxia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:35 pm
Incorrect. It is a personal income tax. A corporate tax might be 0%. Furthermore, if you have a welfare system, there could be money spent with that.Azurius wrote:Fauxia wrote:Just because there isn’t a stat doesn’t mean we don’t have it
We don´t for that matter. Because if that was the case, I and other nations wouldn´t have a 100% income tax to begin with. Since 100% of all income is taxed already, there is literally nothing left to tax any industry on either, nor is there technically speaking any money for people to keep the industries afloat by purchasing.
There are flags. I’m surious how you came to these calculationsIt is not only plain unrealistic, it can´t be the case either. Besides if it were, I would have to 99,9% already found a gap in income/effects, as I not only document every issue option and the effects it has for me, I also do a lot of math and calculations. For example I can tell you that there is another invisible source of income you don´t see in NS stat system(besides tourism): And that is administration. You don´t have a stat for that(it only shows as spending in % of your public services), and I can instantly tell you when income from that goes up or down. NS simply does not have any hidden tax systems such as consumer or industry tax.
by Azurius » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:47 pm
Green Fauxia wrote:Incorrect. It is a personal income tax. A corporate tax might be 0%. Furthermore, if you have a welfare system, there could be money spent with that.Azurius wrote:
We don´t for that matter. Because if that was the case, I and other nations wouldn´t have a 100% income tax to begin with. Since 100% of all income is taxed already, there is literally nothing left to tax any industry on either, nor is there technically speaking any money for people to keep the industries afloat by purchasing.There are flags. I’m surious how you came to these calculationsIt is not only plain unrealistic, it can´t be the case either. Besides if it were, I would have to 99,9% already found a gap in income/effects, as I not only document every issue option and the effects it has for me, I also do a lot of math and calculations. For example I can tell you that there is another invisible source of income you don´t see in NS stat system(besides tourism): And that is administration. You don´t have a stat for that(it only shows as spending in % of your public services), and I can instantly tell you when income from that goes up or down. NS simply does not have any hidden tax systems such as consumer or industry tax.
by Athretvari » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:21 pm
by Azurius » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:57 pm
Athretvari wrote:A good way to look at it (especially since your economy is made up of government and state-owned industry) is to consider what NS calls “Effective Tax Rate” as the sum of all taxes and fees your people pay for goods and services from BOTH government and state-owned industries.
Example, a road toll is technically a tax-fee paid by only those people driving through/pass the toll. Imagine a bus ride in your country technically cost zero, but there is a “distance utilitization fee/tax” based on how far your ride the bus. Imagine walking into a supermarket where everything is technically free, but there is also a “per kilogram of fruit fee” etc.
Basically the rest of the “taxes” you collect but dont go directly to govt, instead go to pay for the “free” stuff your state-owned industries produce.
by [violet] » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:45 pm
by Azurius » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:03 pm
by Bears Armed » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:04 am
[violet] wrote:I need to speak to a good economist!
by Azurius » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:13 pm
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