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by Shaggtopia » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:59 am
by Suomenusko Suomi » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:31 am
by Bluelight-R006 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:32 am
by Merconitonitopia » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:38 am
Suomenusko Suomi wrote:I feel ya.
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From top 100, to nothing.
Perhaps introducing a "Highest Pre-Tax Incomes" statistic could help validate the egos of nations like ours who want to have "high incomes" even with high taxes.
by Slavonia and Srijem » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:25 am
by Kyratistani » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:01 am
by Liberated American Provinces » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:22 am
by Phydios » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:29 am
Kyratistani wrote:I love the sound of this. It’s a great stat.
However, before this happens, could the taxation system itself be reworked completely? It should be very difficult to have an income tax of above 50% in the first place, and yet simply having lots of government services brings you up to 90%.
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by Finswedeway » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:44 am
To survive the coming age, we must adapt, resist populist influences, and root out greedy tyranny from the hallowed halls of government, and as God is my witness, we will survive.
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by The Dolphin Isles » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:59 am
Finswedeway wrote:I support this very much. Would it account for flat tax rates?
by Finswedeway » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:03 am
The Dolphin Isles wrote:Finswedeway wrote:I support this very much. Would it account for flat tax rates?
I believe that it would be the same as with progressive tax rates (at least ones that aren't too crazy) since everything is averaged out. NS shows the average tax rate for progressive tax system with half the population living under a lower tax rate and the other half living above it. Thus, the overall average income (Average DIsposable Income) after average tax rate should be the same no matter if a country has a regressive, progressive, or flat tax system.
Now if you made Average Rich/Poor Disposable Incomes, you'd be opening up a whole new can of worms.
To survive the coming age, we must adapt, resist populist influences, and root out greedy tyranny from the hallowed halls of government, and as God is my witness, we will survive.
-Audo av Sangua
by Danish-Swedish Scandinavia » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:59 am
by Finswedeway » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:03 am
Danish-Swedish Scandinavia wrote:I'm against this in it's current form. I believe that if this alternative income was to be introduced, there should also be a ranking of how much is provided by the state, as in what you need. So if you have a 100% tax rate, and you live in a left wing utopia with a great economy, and great stats for public stuff, then there would be a ranking saying that you government provides 100% of things you need, along with a 100% tax rate and 0% income disposability. If the stats of tax and disposable income were to stand as they are, it would not provide the full picture of how that society is put together. There are, of course, the stats on public transport and all, but there should be a single stat showing how much is provided, or at least the quality of life.
To survive the coming age, we must adapt, resist populist influences, and root out greedy tyranny from the hallowed halls of government, and as God is my witness, we will survive.
-Audo av Sangua
by Austersan » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:12 am
by Thama » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:28 am
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by Aschenburg » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:08 pm
by Ratateague » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:53 pm
by Tyronian Socialist State » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:10 pm
by Trotterdam » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:09 pm
by Merconitonitopia » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:17 pm
Danish-Swedish Scandinavia wrote:I believe that if this alternative income was to be introduced, there should also be a ranking of how much is provided by the state, as in what you need.
The Dolphin Isles wrote:with half the population living under a lower tax rate and the other half living above it.
by [violet] » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:47 pm
Trotterdam wrote:Actually, that's a good point. The game already allows you to have higher taxes for the rich, which means that average disposable income cannot be calculated as simply as average income minus average tax rate.
Simple example: 90% of your citizens earn $1000 and have a 10% tax rate. 10% of your citizens earn $9000 and have a 90% tax rate. Your average income is 90%*$1000+10%*$9000 = $1800. Your average tax rate is 90%*10%+10%*90% = 18%. Your average disposable income, though, is 90%*$900+10%*$900 = $900, which is not the same as $1800*(100%-18%) = $1476.
...It would work if you interpret "average" as the median rather than mean, but it is clear that the current "average income" stats are meant to be means.
by Huelistan » Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:45 am
Caelapes wrote:[violet] wrote:No, this would be a brand new World Census ranking, not a replacement for "Average Income."
Could there be a corresponding opposite census for “most services provided by the state” for nations that have a high “average income” that is, as shown by this new census, entirely provided in the form of services like healthcare and education and not actual wages? I’m top 3% in the world for average “income” but that’s expressed entirely through services and not through a paycheck.
by The Army of Dragonisia » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:41 pm
by Merconitonitopia » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:54 pm
Huelistan wrote:Same here, with a 97% income tax, most of my citizens enjoy their money in the form of services. If it doesn't supress the current Income stat, I see no problem, although something like "per capita govt expeditures" would be nice.
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