by [violet] » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:58 am
by Phydios » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:03 pm
[violet] wrote:Here is a topic for the second new Beta!
Please use it if you have feedback on this change.
If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless. Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you. | Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’James 1:26-27, Matthew 7:21-23
by [violet] » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:07 pm
Phydios wrote:I am quite astonished at how much of an effect the "religion = primitive" assumption has had on nation stats. For example, Culture of Life would see their Scientific Advancement go up by 108.52, or 454%, if this link was removed!
by Phydios » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:14 pm
[violet] wrote:Phydios wrote:I am quite astonished at how much of an effect the "religion = primitive" assumption has had on nation stats. For example, Culture of Life would see their Scientific Advancement go up by 108.52, or 454%, if this link was removed!
It depends on the nation, of course. Culture of Life is top 0.2% in the world for Religiousness, so it has a big effect there.
If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless. Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you. | Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’James 1:26-27, Matthew 7:21-23
by Fauxia » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:51 pm
by FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:52 pm
Phydios wrote:[violet] wrote:Here is a topic for the second new Beta!
Please use it if you have feedback on this change.
Wow. I am quite astonished at how much of an effect the "religion = primitive" assumption has had on nation stats. For example, Culture of Life would see their Scientific Advancement go up by 108.52, or 454%, if this link was removed! The assumption of religion as intrinsically primitive is both loaded and baseless, and it needs to end. The modern concept of a university started in monasteries, for heaven's sake! I highly support this proposal, and you have my thanks for considering it.
by Fauxia » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:53 pm
I think you are grouping certain religions and certain religious oractices with religion in general. There can be a religion dedicated to robots, as I stated previously.FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:Phydios wrote:Wow. I am quite astonished at how much of an effect the "religion = primitive" assumption has had on nation stats. For example, Culture of Life would see their Scientific Advancement go up by 108.52, or 454%, if this link was removed! The assumption of religion as intrinsically primitive is both loaded and baseless, and it needs to end. The modern concept of a university started in monasteries, for heaven's sake! I highly support this proposal, and you have my thanks for considering it.
Could not disagree more. Religiousness is possibly the most primitive human behavior.
by United Massachusetts » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:54 pm
Phydios wrote:[violet] wrote:Here is a topic for the second new Beta!
Please use it if you have feedback on this change.
Wow. I am quite astonished at how much of an effect the "religion = primitive" assumption has had on nation stats. For example, Culture of Life would see their Scientific Advancement go up by 108.52, or 454%, if this link was removed! The assumption of religion as intrinsically primitive is both loaded and baseless, and it needs to end. The modern concept of a university started in monasteries, for heaven's sake! I highly support this proposal, and you have my thanks for considering it.
by Fauxia » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:58 pm
by [violet] » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:03 pm
Fauxia wrote:is the line between religiousness and scientific advancement infinte, where no matter what, the more religious a nation is, the less scientifically advanced (excluding other factors, of course)?
by Fauxia » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:04 pm
And all such correlations work the same way?
by [violet] » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:43 pm
by Trotterdam » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:02 pm
Which would demonstrate that the people worshipping these robots do not properly understand what robots are or how they work.Fauxia wrote:I think you are grouping certain religions and certain religious practices with religion in general. There can be a religion dedicated to robots, as I stated previously.
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by Almonaster Nuevo » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:15 am
by Phydios » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:11 am
Almonaster Nuevo wrote:- A religious response would be that God(s) wanted it so - no further explanation is required. Any explanation of why God(s) wanted it would be tailored to fit with current doctrine. Where reality conflicts with doctrine, doctrine wins.
If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless. Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you. | Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’James 1:26-27, Matthew 7:21-23
by USS Monitor » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:16 pm
Phydios wrote:Once again, it is well documented that the entire concept of modern higher education was started by medieval monks!
by [violet] » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:22 pm
by Almonaster Nuevo » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:30 pm
by The Protestant Union » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:42 pm
by FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:06 pm
The Protestant Union wrote:The anti-theist rhetoric here makes me a bit vicariously embarrassed tbh. It's ahistorical and pushes a narrative rather than a truth.
Christianity built western civilization as we know it, to betray the love of God is to betray the roots of our philosophy and intellectual thought. Where would we be without genious men like St. Augistine of Hippo? The men who divised the Big Bang theory and the father of modern genetics were also both priests. Don't go throwing around that tired rhetoric, I've met theologians far greater than the average middle brow neckbeard who fancy themselves intellectuals while repeating what they read on /r/atheism.
Secularism had been a detriment to society, it brought with it the ugly heads of hedonism, profligacy and nihilism.
Perhaps read up on minds such as Kierkegaard before making ignorant comments.
by Fauxia » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:33 pm
I agree that this is a bad argument, but Greece and Rome do fit- a religion is a religion, even pagan onesUSS Monitor wrote:Phydios wrote:Once again, it is well documented that the entire concept of modern higher education was started by medieval monks!
Not impressed with this argument.
You're talking about Europe, and purposely excluding ancient civilizations like Greece and Rome because they don't fit your argument. The concepts of education and science are much older than medieval monks, and they've been developed in different ways in different cultures. The Medieval period, when the church was most heavily involved in European education, is not a high point for Europe's scientific or technological dominance.
The fact that some people manage to hold religious beliefs and do something academic at the same time doesn't prove much. People can hold white supremacist beliefs and have black friends at the same time too.
However, Fauxia's argument about different types of religions is a good one. The issues game is not supposed to assume too much about the nature of your national religion. Theoretically, a nation could have a national religion that believes it's their sacred duty to study the natural world and invent high-tech gadgets. Just don't try to tell me that religion has anything to do with Christianity.
by USS Monitor » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:14 pm
Fauxia wrote:I agree that this is a bad argument, but Greece and Rome do fit- a religion is a religion, even pagan onesUSS Monitor wrote:
Not impressed with this argument.
You're talking about Europe, and purposely excluding ancient civilizations like Greece and Rome because they don't fit your argument. The concepts of education and science are much older than medieval monks, and they've been developed in different ways in different cultures. The Medieval period, when the church was most heavily involved in European education, is not a high point for Europe's scientific or technological dominance.
The fact that some people manage to hold religious beliefs and do something academic at the same time doesn't prove much. People can hold white supremacist beliefs and have black friends at the same time too.
However, Fauxia's argument about different types of religions is a good one. The issues game is not supposed to assume too much about the nature of your national religion. Theoretically, a nation could have a national religion that believes it's their sacred duty to study the natural world and invent high-tech gadgets. Just don't try to tell me that religion has anything to do with Christianity.
by Phydios » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:08 pm
USS Monitor wrote:Fauxia wrote:I agree that this is a bad argument, but Greece and Rome do fit- a religion is a religion, even pagan ones
No, they don't. Their institutions of higher education weren't founded by monks.
The argument wasn't about advanced societies having religious institutions. It was about the educational system being rooted in religious institutions.
If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless. Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you. | Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’James 1:26-27, Matthew 7:21-23
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