RMB editing

[Lenlyvit]

I see that a new editing feature has been added to the RMBs, at last. But, I think that maybe posts made a certain amount of time in the past should not be editable. Is that possible to enact??

[Lenlyvit]

I'm thinking that posts after a certain length of time, like 2 hours or something, can no longer be edited. Of course, they could still be deleted but that's a different subject. This would prevent long term posts, posts from months or years ago, from being edited and changed to something different.

[Aclion]

If the concern is people maliciously editing posts maybe that can just be handled the same way as on the forum.

[United German Regions]

I see that a new editing feature has been added to the RMBs, at last. But, I think that maybe posts made a certain amount of time in the past should not be editable. Is that possible to enact??

Agreed, editing should be short term only.

[[violet]]

Can you discuss more why this should be the case? Using some examples, perhaps?

Why should someone not be able to change content that they posted?

[Ascoobis]

Can you discuss more why this should be the case? Using some examples, perhaps?

Why should someone not be able to change content that they posted?

In the case of "regional court cases" where the evidence of "X" crime is RMB posts. The accused or accuser shouldn't be able to go back and erase all evidence of wrong-doing/make up evidence.

As an RMB is most active region's best way of communication, this could potentially happen many times.

At least, if you don't change your mind, perhaps the addition of some sort of indicator that a message has been edited?....(Unless there's one and I missed it).

[Flanderlion]

There is an indicator, but ideally there would be an edit history so you could see what they originally said.

Each post has its own unique ID so possibly a new post to take the place of the old one, and a way to view other versions of the post.

[Legal Representation]

Can you discuss more why this should be the case? Using some examples, perhaps?

Why should someone not be able to change content that they posted?

Players should absolutely be allowed control of the content of what they post, to a degree.

With many new technologies, there are always going to be people who try to exploit the system for their own selfish ends.

Besides the problems with role-play court cases, as mentioned above, there is a concern that players wishing to erase their background would take advantage of the new freedoms to re-write history, not just to escape RP justice, but to avoid punishment from the game staff for ill-conceived messages.

I also use a search of a nation's 'post history' as part of the security background check.

I'll assume that the staff can view the original, unedited text, if they need to. Could this feature not be open for everybody? If the point of the edit was to correct a spelling error, remove a superfluous word or two, there's no harm, or need, to 'view original post'. But if you're looking for signs of deceit or false-identity, are we now going to have to play the 'prove I said it' game?

I love the new feature. I submit oodles of posts per day and not all of them are perfect, despite using the 'preview' feature. I'll now be able to fine-tune my role-play.

But I think the aforementioned suggestion of having the period of being able to change a post should be fairly short, just long enough for you to have a chance to 'repair' it is a good one.

I strongly suggest a 'wet' period for new RMB posts, after which a post becomes 'dry' and set in digital stone. The 'dry' process could take place after an hour or even at the next game update.

Not knocking the new RMB coding additions, far from it. I live in this game's chat rooms and the new options are wicked cool. I'd not be unhappy if we were able to use a limited color pallet soon as well.

[Lenlyvit]

Can you discuss more why this should be the case? Using some examples, perhaps?

Why should someone not be able to change content that they posted?

I'm not saying that people shouldn't be able to change what they post, I like this feature. What I *am* saying is that people shouldn't be able to edit a post that's been up a certain amount of time. My reasoning is the same as the posts above this one.

[Trotterdam]

While I initially supported the notion of a time limit for editing, I feel that having an indicator serves much the same function. Players can already delete their own posts no matter how old, so I don't think editing posts introduces any new potential for abuse above that, so long as it's clear that the post was edited and when.

One thing: I've seen at least one post that had a timer saying when it was edited (as in, "Edited 116 minutes ago"), but most other posts - including that one, now that I looked back - simply say "Edited" with no timer. Checking the code shows that the timestamp is there, but is not displayed by default. I think the edit time should always be visible, because (saliently to this thread) there's a pretty important difference between a post that was edited a few minutes after being posted, or even on the same day, and one that was edited months later.

[[violet]]

One thing: I've seen at least one post that had a timer saying when it was edited (as in, "Edited 116 minutes ago"), but most other posts - including that one, now that I looked back - simply say "Edited" with no timer.

When the displayed edit time would be identical to the displayed post time (e.g. "1 day ago"), it's omitted, and just says "Edited."

Either way, you can hover in desktop mode for an exact timestamp, as you noted. I expect to make this a bit more usable in the future.

[Despoticania]

While I initially supported the notion of a time limit for editing, I feel that having an indicator serves much the same function. Players can already delete their own posts no matter how old, so I don't think editing posts introduces any new potential for abuse above that, so long as it's clear that the post was edited and when.

This.

[USS Monitor]

Besides the problems with role-play court cases, as mentioned above, there is a concern that players wishing to erase their background would take advantage of the new freedoms to re-write history, not just to escape RP justice, but to avoid punishment from the game staff for ill-conceived messages.

People can already edit forum posts, and the forum hasn't exploded.

[Trotterdam]

When the displayed edit time would be identical to the displayed post time (e.g. "1 day ago"), it's omitted, and just says "Edited."

Ah, okay. It wasn't clear to me that was what it meant.

[Wordy]

Perhaps a reported RMB post should be locked from edit? I am thinking more of nations that use it to post abusive messages and then edit to avoid wrath of MOD.

[[violet]]

I'd actually prefer for people to be able to remove objectionable content themselves than force it to remain on public display until mods get to it.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I'd actually prefer for people to be able to remove objectionable content themselves than force it to remain on public display until mods get to it.

That sounds like a statement ripe for people to flame and then edit it out before they're punished

Yes, it could happen on the forums and doesn't. I would argue that there's a bit of a different atmosphere, as well as a slightly higher maturity level on the forums (age requirement and all).

Personally, I support an edit lock-out time. Forums are different - we go back ages later to edit an OP and such. No relevant comparison to an OP on an RMB....if anything, the region's WFE would be most similar There shouldn't really be any reason that someone has to go back ages later to edit an RMB post. If they want to delete it they can, but there's no reason to let them change the content. How long should it take to lock out? I wouldn't mind it being long enough that you can log in later and fix some typos, so I could go as wide as a day or two, but think several hours is also fine. What I don't think is that there is a valid reason folks should be able to edit RMB posts made weeks or months ago.

[Red Dusk]

I'd actually prefer for people to be able to remove objectionable content themselves than force it to remain on public display until mods get to it.

Personally, I support an edit lock-out time.

Perhaps have the text in question be preserved via the report, while still allowing for the player to edit their post? That way if it's reported, the mods will always have access to the original post. Then once it is marked as solved (or however the mod tools work) the report copy is deleted from the system.
Of course, I'm talking about simply having a viewable for mods only version in the system by this. Anyone who isn't able to see reports can't see it, thus making players able to edit their posts. This way, a mod can see if it's been edited while being able to gauge how hostile or flamey the original post was in comparison.

Of course, my idea relies on it being possible to code within reason. So feel free to ignore me. Just feel like it gives the best of both worlds. Prevents abuse of the system, and reduces mod-headache a bit in that they don't have to react as quickly to reported posts as they might otherwise have to.

[Legal Representation]

Besides the problems with role-play court cases, as mentioned above, there is a concern that players wishing to erase their background would take advantage of the new freedoms to re-write history, not just to escape RP justice, but to avoid punishment from the game staff for ill-conceived messages.

People can already edit forum posts, and the forum hasn't exploded.

I don't use the forum, so I wouldn't know.

I didn't want to make this just about me, but I wish to see what people have posted in the past. I am responsible for the security of a region or two and use the RMB 'search' feature as part of my background checks. Life in NS is hard enough without having to argue with a questionable nation over the reason for an earlier edit in their post history. If it's there, in black and white, I can act upon it decisively. If the staff can see the original text, I don't see the harm in being able to view it for myself.

Please do not allow the past to be distorted without accountability.

[United German Regions]

There is an indicator, but ideally there would be an edit history so you could see what they originally said.

Each post has its own unique ID so possibly a new post to take the place of the old one, and a way to view other versions of the post.

This would be most ideal, a way to view post history so we can see an accurate representation of what was previously there. I am not a fan of people being able to edit posts after the initial time it would take to correct basic errors as it can affect regional RP (as said above, court cases especially) as well as allow people to change their previous history in the region on the RMB (the primary method of public communication), I would rather people have to answer for themselves instead of just saying something along the line of "Oh, I just fixed a typo" when they actually changed the entire content of the message.

[Shazbotdom]

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[Qvait]

I think that it is important to add an edit history for posts, because there will be those who will post something and then edit it to mean something completely different. I also think we should know which edit people "liked".

[Argentinstan]

I agree.

Sometimes people are bad and bring puppets and I have to prosecute them and without the evidence of RMB posts it is impossible.

[Trotterdam]

There's a balance to be struck here between accountability and privacy. It's just embarassing if any random mistake I make is permanently kept in the record even if I edit it.

And, again, deleting posts can already do that. Editing instead of deleting doesn't introduce anything new, so long as the timestamp marking the post as edited remains clearly visible.

[Qvait]

I use Quora, which maintains an edit history, and everything is fine.