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Creation of crime ratings but more detailed

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The Ninja5 Empire
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Creation of crime ratings but more detailed

Postby The Ninja5 Empire » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:34 pm

You know how there's a crime rate that can be given? I personally find it a bit vague so I have an idea of being more specific about what crimes are committed. Also, just basing all crime into one rating doesn't give a full picture. An example could be that murder might be very rare but theft might be commonplace. I was thinking of probably splitting it into these:
    Murder
    Rape
    Terrorism
    Human Trafficking
    Arson
    Robbery/Burglary
    Extortion
    Hacking

Of course you are welcome to leave your opinion on this suggestion and you can suggest other crimes to add of course. And if you disagree with me, that's fine. There's probably a good reason.
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Postby Bedetopia » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:11 pm

A very good idea that has my support. To add onto it, each crime should have a number of times they're commited per day, with an indication if they're actually legal. This avoids legal crimes taking over the pie chart and misrepresenting the others just because they're more common. This also lets you better see how your law enforcement affects crimes.

Sure, it's a new link on the nation page, but there's got plenty of space there. Besides, this adds more achievements (banners) to unlock for having low/high levels of a specific crime.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:20 pm

Sounds god on paper, a bit complicated to implement though. To simplify a bit I would instead divide crimes a little differently into broader categories:

Violent Crimes(Murder, extortion, assault)
Sexual Crimes(Rape, harassment, molestation)
Property Crimes(Theft, arson)
Electronic Crimes(cyber bullying, hacking)
Social Crimes(Drug dealing, smuggling, Sodomy, etc)
White-collar crime(fraud, bribery, ponzi schemes, insider trading)
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Postby Ransium » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:24 pm

I don't think badges for these individual crime categories will happen. Pie charts similar to the cause of death pie chart (which, I don't exactly know how it works but I suspect deduces categories primarily from census ratings) might be possible if admin says it is and is interested.

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Postby The Ninja5 Empire » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:14 pm

Kazarogkai wrote:Sounds god on paper, a bit complicated to implement though. To simplify a bit I would instead divide crimes a little differently into broader categories:

Violent Crimes(Murder, extortion, assault)
Sexual Crimes(Rape, harassment, molestation)
Property Crimes(Theft, arson)
Electronic Crimes(cyber bullying, hacking)
Social Crimes(Drug dealing, smuggling, Sodomy, etc)
White-collar crime(fraud, bribery, ponzi schemes, insider trading)

Well, with social crimes, the examples you gave depends on the nation really. Some allow drugs and sodomy, others don't.
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Postby The Ninja5 Empire » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:14 pm

Ransium wrote:I don't think badges for these individual crime categories will happen. Pie charts similar to the cause of death pie chart (which, I don't exactly know how it works but I suspect deduces categories primarily from census ratings) might be possible if admin says it is and is interested.

That actually does sound like a good idea.
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:06 am

The Ninja5 Empire wrote:
Kazarogkai wrote:Sounds god on paper, a bit complicated to implement though. To simplify a bit I would instead divide crimes a little differently into broader categories:

Violent Crimes(Murder, extortion, assault)
Sexual Crimes(Rape, harassment, molestation)
Property Crimes(Theft, arson)
Electronic Crimes(cyber bullying, hacking)
Social Crimes(Drug dealing, smuggling, Sodomy, etc)
White-collar crime(fraud, bribery, ponzi schemes, insider trading)

Well, with social crimes, the examples you gave depends on the nation really. Some allow drugs and sodomy, others don't.

Likewise, some nations don't have enough electronics for 'Electronic Crimes' to be at all likely.
To be widely applicable, in my opinion, this coding would need to pay verrry close attention to each individual nation's issue answers in order to determine that nation's crime stats... which might be rather more work than the Admins want to do on this subject.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:43 am

Bears Armed wrote:
The Ninja5 Empire wrote:Well, with social crimes, the examples you gave depends on the nation really. Some allow drugs and sodomy, others don't.

Likewise, some nations don't have enough electronics for 'Electronic Crimes' to be at all likely.
To be widely applicable, in my opinion, this coding would need to pay verrry close attention to each individual nation's issue answers in order to determine that nation's crime stats... which might be rather more work than the Admins want to do on this subject.


Strong point. Another thing to keep in mind is rape, some nations may be more strict on the definition than others. Marriage allowance for example
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Postby Ransium » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:07 am

If this is to be viable and increasingly you guys seem to be making the case for not, then crimes would have to be from the perspective of the WA census not the nation's own definition of crime. That way you could use WA stats to calculate crime. Something tailored to your own nations specific definitions from your issue choices would be nightmare to code and update (I recently wrote an issue draft that makes breathing a crime!) and has about zero chance of being implemented.
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:17 am

Ransium wrote:If this is to be viable and increasingly you guys seem to be making the case or not. The crimes would have to be from the perspective of the WA census not the nation's own definition of crime. That way you could use WA stats to calculate crime. Something tailored to your own nations specific definitions from your issue choices would be nightmare to code and update (I recently wrote an issue draft that makes breathing a crime!) and has about zero chance of being implemented.

That's what I suspected would be the case. In other words, this suggested improvement would just be something else for me to ignore...
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