Option to self release name

[[violet]]

I would like to suggest an option that allows a player to allow their name to be released regardless of age. Of-course it would release after the same amount of time a nation that ceased to exist under the 500 mil population.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Why? Also, do you think people will actually do that?

[Lockdownn]

Why? Also, do you think people will actually do that?

1) Just so names could be recycled at the will of the person. I know I have puppets that I'll never want again that are over 500 mil when I leave this game.

2) They may or may not. Depends on the person and whether or not they want to keep their legacy. Although, if I don't see any replies from actual players, I'll have my answer.

[Leutria]

Well I have a lot of CTEd flower and plant themed puppets I thought the last time this topic came up that I would release the names of if it were possible. At least the ones I can remember

Still, I would expect those of us that would willingly return names to the wild are in the minority of players.

[Socio Polor]

I actually think this isn't a bad thought. Those of us players that are generous enough to release their nation name when they stop playing should be allowed to.

[USS Monitor]

Why? Also, do you think people will actually do that?

I have a couple of names I would release.

[Trotterdam]

Someone you want a nation name someone else has. If the players involved are able to discuss it among themselves and come to agreement amiably, why not let them?

Also take note that some players would use this to restart their own nations, wiping the stats clean and then immediately refounding under the same player. While I can see why you might want to discourage people from resetting their nations rather than trying to fix them within the system, I ultimately think that's their choice to make.

[Excidium Planetis]

I will add my support to the idea. I have, over the years, made several puppets that got over 500 million and I don't use anymore, some of them I would want to turn over to allow new players to use, and some I might just keep in cold storage in case I ever need them (mostly some infamous "joke" puppets that are almost common in the WA)

As this change is totally optional, I don't see why we shouldn't have it.

[Leppikania]

I thought this had been suggested before and shot down, but I can't find that anywhere.

*adds hat*

As this change is totally optional, I don't see why we shouldn't have it.

Of course, the admins have to implement it…

[Lockdownn]

Someone you want a nation name someone else has. If the players involved are able to discuss it among themselves and come to agreement amiably, why not let them?

Also take note that some players would use this to restart their own nations, wiping the stats clean and then immediately refounding under the same player. While I can see why you might want to discourage people from resetting their nations rather than trying to fix them within the system, I ultimately think that's their choice to make.

Name recycling would work as if a nation under 500 mil ceased to exist where the name would become available in five years.

Of-course, in order to not become tempted, you'd have to scramble your password in order to not log in again. My idea is to have a button selection in the nations' setting page which, once selected, allows the five year clock to become enabled once it ceases to exist. The owner could still refound during that period.

[Lockdownn]

I thought this had been suggested before and shot down, but I can't find that anywhere.

*adds hat*

As this change is totally optional, I don't see why we shouldn't have it.

Of course, the admins have to implement it…

I mean, this is a fundamental change from my point of view. It's a big change to the system to consider and I wouldn't be surprised if this was put away for some years. Obviously, I know nothing about the CTE system itself, but I'm just saying I would understand if it's not considered important for the time being.

[Frisbeeteria]

Part of the reason we don't allow this is the same as the reason we don't have a "Delete Nation" button. Evil little brothers, passing friends, and nation hackers cannot destroy your nation by clicking a button. They can screw it up, true, but not irreparably. You can still delete your nation by not logging in, but you automatically get 28 days to change your mind.

[violet] has kept the Settings fairly clear for over a decade, for the simple reason that the interface is still clear to new players. I'll grant you that we probably have more {new puppets of experienced players} than {new players} at any given point, but it's the new players we want to continue to encourage. Without them, the site eventually dies. There are lots of things we could add to Settings. Picking the ones that advance the game is where the difficulty lies.

[Leppikania]

Part of the reason we don't allow this is the same as the reason we don't have a "Delete Nation" button. Evil little brothers, passing friends, and nation hackers cannot destroy your nation by clicking a button. They can screw it up, true, but not irreparably. You can still delete your nation by not logging in, but you automatically get 28 days to change your mind.

I imagine this system as a checkbox in Settings that makes the population no longer a factor when considering your nation's name for reuse, not a button. This way, you would get 5 years to change your mind, and that's assuming it gets reused immediately upon becoming available.

it's the new players we want to continue to encourage.

And this is where the benefit of the system comes in. If new players can't have a nation name that they really want, then that discourages them.

[Lockdownn]

Part of the reason we don't allow this is the same as the reason we don't have a "Delete Nation" button. Evil little brothers, passing friends, and nation hackers cannot destroy your nation by clicking a button. They can screw it up, true, but not irreparably. You can still delete your nation by not logging in, but you automatically get 28 days to change your mind.

[violet] has kept the Settings fairly clear for over a decade, for the simple reason that the interface is still clear to new players. I'll grant you that we probably have more {new puppets of experienced players} than {new players} at any given point, but it's the new players we want to continue to encourage. Without them, the site eventually dies. There are lots of things we could add to Settings. Picking the ones that advance the game is where the difficulty lies.

A button that that enables the 5-year reuse period is what I'm after here. The only for sure way that a person couldn't get it back is if they removed the email and scrambled the password. Otherwise it's inherently optional really unless you intentionally enable it and leave it alone for the 28 - 60 days + five years it requires.

[Trotterdam]

Name recycling would work as if a nation under 500 mil ceased to exist where the name would become available in five years.

I imagine this system as a checkbox in Settings that makes the population no longer a factor when considering your nation's name for reuse, not a button. This way, you would get 5 years to change your mind, and that's assuming it gets reused immediately upon becoming available.

5 years is a long time. I understand the benefit of having some delay to avoid the problem Frisbeeteria mentioned, but if somone actually wants the name now, 5 years is essentially an eternity in internet time. A month, that might be a reasonable wait.

There could be a "release this nation's name when it expires" button in the settings. When it's enabled, every single page has a big obvious warning saying something like "WARNING: If you want to delete your nation, you should stop logging in so it'll cease to exist. If you don't want to delete your nation, go to your settings and turn this off now.". That should make it difficult for anyone to sneakily delete your nation without you having a chance to do something about it.

[Lockdownn]

5 years is a long time. I understand the benefit of having some delay to avoid the problem Frisbeeteria mentioned, but if somone actually wants the name now, needing to wait 5 years is essentially an eternity in internet time.

There could be a "release this nation's name when it expires" button in the settings. When it's enabled, every single page has a big obvious warning saying something like "WARNING: If you want to delete your nation, you should stop logging in so it'll cease to exist. If you don't want to delete your nation, go to your settings and turn this off now.". That should make it difficult for anyone to sneakily delete your nation without you having a chance to do something about it.

Five years is a long time for nations under 500 mil too right? I'm trying to allow nations above that to behave like under 500 mil names.

[Sedgistan]

It's a nice idea, but the amount of people who would be likely to use this is minimal, which means it struggles to justify the admins spending time on it - particularly given the potential problems Fris has highlighted.

[Lockdownn]

It's a nice idea, but the amount of people who would be likely to use this is minimal, which means it struggles to justify the admins spending time on it - particularly given the potential problems Fris has highlighted.

Both points presented were addressed in my previous posts. Just to note.

[USS Monitor]

Part of the reason we don't allow this is the same as the reason we don't have a "Delete Nation" button. Evil little brothers, passing friends, and nation hackers cannot destroy your nation by clicking a button. They can screw it up, true, but not irreparably. You can still delete your nation by not logging in, but you automatically get 28 days to change your mind.

[violet] has kept the Settings fairly clear for over a decade, for the simple reason that the interface is still clear to new players. I'll grant you that we probably have more {new puppets of experienced players} than {new players} at any given point, but it's the new players we want to continue to encourage. Without them, the site eventually dies. There are lots of things we could add to Settings. Picking the ones that advance the game is where the difficulty lies.

A button that that enables the 5-year reuse period is what I'm after here. The only for sure way that a person couldn't get it back is if they removed the email and scrambled the password. Otherwise it's inherently optional really unless you intentionally enable it and leave it alone for the 28 - 60 days + five years it requires.

Why would you still need the 5 year wait? The month it takes for the nation to CTE would give the person a chance to change their mind.

[Excidium Planetis]

It's a nice idea, but the amount of people who would be likely to use this is minimal, which means it struggles to justify the admins spending time on it - particularly given the potential problems Fris has highlighted.

The number of people on this thread alone who said they would use it indicates that it would not be a minimal number using the feature.

I'm sure that a whole lot of players have made puppets they don't want anymore.

[Lockdownn]

A button that that enables the 5-year reuse period is what I'm after here. The only for sure way that a person couldn't get it back is if they removed the email and scrambled the password. Otherwise it's inherently optional really unless you intentionally enable it and leave it alone for the 28 - 60 days + five years it requires.

Why would you still need the 5 year wait? The month it takes for the nation to CTE would give the person a chance to change their mind.

I just thought that would be the flat rate in terms of time to release. I'd be open to a shorter amount obviously.

[USS Monitor]

Why would you still need the 5 year wait? The month it takes for the nation to CTE would give the person a chance to change their mind.

I just thought that would be the flat rate in terms of time to release. I'd be open to a shorter amount obviously.

I am against reducing the wait time for names to be automatically released, but if the owner has indicated that they WANT to have it released, then I don't see the need to wait so long.

[Sedgistan]

It's a nice idea, but the amount of people who would be likely to use this is minimal, which means it struggles to justify the admins spending time on it - particularly given the potential problems Fris has highlighted.

The number of people on this thread alone who said they would use it indicates that it would not be a minimal number using the feature.

I'm sure that a whole lot of players have made puppets they don't want anymore.

A handful of people who frequent the Technical forum are in no way representative of the site as a whole.

[Mallorea and Riva]

The number of people on this thread alone who said they would use it indicates that it would not be a minimal number using the feature.

I'm sure that a whole lot of players have made puppets they don't want anymore.

A handful of people who frequent the Technical forum are in no way representative of the site as a whole.

Quite the opposite, if anything.

[British Prussia]

Part of the reason we don't allow this is the same as the reason we don't have a "Delete Nation" button. Evil little brothers, passing friends, and nation hackers cannot destroy your nation by clicking a button. They can screw it up, true, but not irreparably. You can still delete your nation by not logging in, but you automatically get 28 days to change your mind.

[violet] has kept the Settings fairly clear for over a decade, for the simple reason that the interface is still clear to new players. I'll grant you that we probably have more {new puppets of experienced players} than {new players} at any given point, but it's the new players we want to continue to encourage. Without them, the site eventually dies. There are lots of things we could add to Settings. Picking the ones that advance the game is where the difficulty lies.

I don't think that there should be a big red doomsday button, obviously. But I reckon an email verification could make it a reasonably secure two-step process. It shouldn't be immediate, so like, after the process has started, like FaceBook(?) it doesn't delete your nation until after a couple of weeks.

"Release this nation's name when it expires"

I reckon this is a good idea as well.