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Password longevity

Postby Marcuslandia » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:26 pm

I think this suggestion should be discussed in its own thread as a singular issue.

Regions that do NOT have an existing Founder that at some point gets passworded. Either at some time before his demise, the Founder put a password on the region, or an active Delegate installs a password. It took a Founder or Delegate to put it there. I think it should require an active Founder or Delegate to keep it there. If a passworded region should ever lose _both_ Founder and Delegate, then the password should automatically withdrawn.

If the residents want to keep their region passworded for their protection, all that is required is for two of them to have a WA, and then one endorses the other.

The obvious effect of this is that it forces invaders to invest in the resources to keep a "trophy" region locked down. [Think of it as garrison troops to maintain the Occupation.]
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Re: Password longevity

Postby Martyrdoom » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:51 pm

Marcuslandia wrote:I think this suggestion should be discussed in its own thread as a singular issue.

Regions that do NOT have an existing Founder that at some point gets passworded. Either at some time before his demise, the Founder put a password on the region, or an active Delegate installs a password. It took a Founder or Delegate to put it there. I think it should require an active Founder or Delegate to keep it there. If a passworded region should ever lose _both_ Founder and Delegate, then the password should automatically withdrawn.

If the residents want to keep their region passworded for their protection, all that is required is for two of them to have a WA, and then one endorses the other.

The obvious effect of this is that it forces invaders to invest in the resources to keep a "trophy" region locked down. [Think of it as garrison troops to maintain the Occupation.]


(my emphasis)

I can think of it as garrison troops to maintain the occupation but there's other flipsides to consider.

I dare say this requirement I've emphasised would be a non-starter for those people who did not want to be in the WA but wanted to concurrently maintain the security/sanctity of their region; moreover, they might not have anything to do with the invasion/defending aspects. The scenario you illustrate is narrow and inexorably tied to the post-invasion "trophy" concept.

As always, however, I can see why you would like this Marcus, as some divine retribution from beyond the grave ;) It does seem your threads are starting to congeal now; they radiate perfectly toward your specific situation completely now!
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Re: Password longevity

Postby Marcuslandia » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:07 pm

A Founder can password of his own volition. But for a Delegate to emplace it, well he _can't_ be a Delegate unless he belongs to the WA and he is endorsed by at least one other WA member.

Just like if the Founder goes away, so do any protective mechanisms he had as his disposal. Similarly, it takes a Delegate to continue or emplace a passsword. If the _Delegacy_ (not just the enacting Delegate) goes away, those protective mechanisms should go with it. [If the enacting Delegate is replaced, then the replacement Delegate has the option to leave it in place or to drop it.]

As others have argued so eloquently, the fixit solution is simple: At least two members take out WA membership. Practically a guarantee, and it happens quite quickly. One WA gets endorsed, there's a Delegate, and there's the person that can continue or drop the password. Never has to mess with the WA ever again.

I just figure that keeping a region passworded should be an active process. Sort of like a Dead Man switch.
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Re: Password longevity

Postby Erastide » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:29 pm

I would agree that if there's no delegate or founder nation alive, the password should be made visible to the residents of the region.

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Re: Password longevity

Postby Marcuslandia » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:39 pm

Erastide wrote:I would agree that if there's no delegate or founder nation alive, the password should be made visible to the residents of the region.


But if none of them are the Delegate, then it's _impossible_ for them to drop or change the password.

What's wrong with requiring at least two people in the region to be licensed to drive the machinery? As I mentioned earlier, the amount of effort ---especially compared to the hoops everyone thinks is reasonable elsewhere -- is next to nothing. Like getting a voter registration -- you _don't_ need to use it, but it's a good thing to have.
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Re: Password longevity

Postby Erastide » Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:06 pm

So they need to join the WA and vote one of them in. Or recruit new members to have someone be the delegate. I'm not honestly sure if an invisible password stays invisible without a delegate currently, I would hope not though.

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Re: Password longevity

Postby Romanar » Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:11 pm

Erastide wrote:So they need to join the WA and vote one of them in. Or recruit new members to have someone be the delegate. I'm not honestly sure if an invisible password stays invisible without a delegate currently, I would hope not though.


I'm not sure, but I think I heard complaints about passwords that people can't remove because they can't get anyone else into the region to endorse their only WA member. That was years ago, so I might not be remembering right, or it might have been changed.

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Re: Password longevity

Postby Marcuslandia » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:27 pm

Ditto. I seem to have recently seen discussions to END the situation of no Delegate and an invisible password still being in place. That seems to suggest that that is the current state of affairs.
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Re: Password longevity

Postby Whamabama » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:01 pm

I could go along with this one. No founder, no delegate no password. As far as whether a password remains visible or not I do not know that from first hand experience. I know the visible ones stay.

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Re: Password longevity

Postby Bears Armed » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:04 am

Erastide wrote:So they need to join the WA and vote one of them in. Or recruit new members to have someone be the delegate.
Or keep their 'main' nations out but create a puppet each for this purpose, which is easy enough...
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Re: Password longevity

Postby Marcuslandia » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:20 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Erastide wrote:So they need to join the WA and vote one of them in. Or recruit new members to have someone be the delegate.
Or keep their 'main' nations out but create a puppet each for this purpose, which is easy enough...


BUT whoever is resident, of those, at least two would have to be WAs (one to endorse, one to be Delegate). For those two players, they couldn't have WAs elsewhere.
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Re: Password longevity

Postby Naivetry » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:19 pm

As far as I know, invisible passwords remain invisible when the Founder and/or Delegate CTE. I would like that to go away...

I'm honestly not sure about regions without founders or delegates losing their password protection entirely. That makes security contingent on (someone) having WA membership, which people may not like. It'd be interesting to hear from some of the players from the other password thread on this one.


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