"Most recent government activity" in the world census?

[Witchcraft and Sorcery]

Some other defenders and I were talking today about the possibility of being able to sort nations in a region by "most recent government activity" instead of having to individually look through every native in said region to determine who is most active. Mostly it would be a very helpful thing for convenience.

[Lenlyvit]

I was actually the person to come up with this idea first and run it by my friends in TGW. I think it could have many applications, both in R/D and Regional Governments.

In the Raiding world it could be used for a couple of things. For instance, a raider delegate in a raid could use it to see which of the raider RO's are inactive. They could also use it to see what native nations are close to CTE, therefore not wasting their influence by banjecting a nation that won't exist within a day or two.

On the flip side of that coin are us, the defenders. We could use this to determine which native nations are active and most likely to reply to telegrams. We could also use it to see if raider Border Control(BC) Regional Officers(RO's) are inactive and determine how likely a liberation attempt will succeed.

The leaders of regional governments could also use this to great affect. It would allow them to determine which of their government members are inactive. They could also use it to determine whether or not they should replace inactive government members.

All in all, I believe it would make a great addition to the game.

[Lamb Stone]

That gauge of recent government activity isn't always the most reliable thing. I think if you maintain the current session you're in on your browser, it won't update whether you're on doing things or not. It's only basically a show of when they last logged in or reopened the session. I'm pretty sure that's how it works, at least. Someone can correct me, if I'm wrong, as that's only based off of observation.

I definitely understand the potential usefulness of sorting, but just don't think it's reliable enough to really matter in the first place, at least as far as R/D goes.

[The Glorious Hypetrain]

From a raider's POV, Lenlyvit's statements hold true. It would be a massive benefit to not have to expend influence, and would help us with potential target selection. The statement on RO's also helps, because we can then attempt to get them active or rotate them out.

While noting that's just for when they last logged in, it's still helpful in either case and either side of the R/D game, and some benefits for governments in general.

[Queen Yuno]

Honestly, that'd be cool. Regional governments do monthly activity checks on their cabinet and they have to keep an eye on which nations didn't log into their nation for 10 days.

I think Psychotic Dictatorships ban you if you didn't log in NS for 24 hours. So like...that'd help ?

[Tinhampton]

I think Psychotic Dictatorships ban you if you didn't log in NS for 24 hours.

The correct figure is 20 days.

[Queen Yuno]

I think Psychotic Dictatorships ban you if you didn't log in NS for 24 hours.

The correct figure is 20 days.

Wow
Do you have a nation there?
I'm surprised you're one of the rare ones who pay attention to other region's policies (in a good way)

[Gig em Aggies]

This would be a coding mess, because this ain't no change a typo type of thing they put in recently this "idea" would take time to code, test, fix problems found in testing, and finally implement. But if you want to easily see who has been active recently just go into your region and add all the regions members into your dossier and it will tell you by their name on the right hand side when they were last active in days, I use it to keep track of and manage all of my 20+ nations. But as for the idea that would be a big no

[Frisbeeteria]

That gauge of recent government activity isn't always the most reliable thing. I think if you maintain the current session you're in on your browser, it won't update whether you're on doing things or not. It's only basically a show of when they last logged in or reopened the session. I'm pretty sure that's how it works, at least. Someone can correct me, if I'm wrong, as that's only based off of observation.

I can only post an apocryphal comment, but it's accurate.

Recently someone pointed out that my nation showed "Last Government Activity was 22 days ago", despite me being incredibly active on the forums, the game, and backstage. What I didn't do was answer any issues, vote on any proposals, move from any regions, post on any RMBs, or actively log in or out of my nation. I checked the checkbox to "keep me logged in" and apparently maintained the same session for close to a month. The only reason I had to log in again was following a forced reboot for updates.

I'm currently showing "Most Recent Government Activity: 8 days ago" despite being here daily. My gameside and forumside sessions are alive and well. You be the judge.

[The Glorious Hypetrain]

This would be a coding mess, because this ain't no change a typo type of thing they put in recently this "idea" would take time to code, test, fix problems found in testing, and finally implement. But if you want to easily see who has been active recently just go into your region and add all the regions members into your dossier and it will tell you by their name on the right hand side when they were last active in days, I use it to keep track of and manage all of my 20+ nations. But as for the idea that would be a big no

As for the dossier idea, most ROs aren't going to have the time nor patience for about 20+ nations, considering my region has over 200, and most larger regions that would want this idea are of similar size (plus or minus). I doubt this would be a "coding mess", as it's simply another thing that would be grouped in the census tab. An example SQL call would be

Most Active First:

Code: Select all

SELECT nations FROM region ORDER BY time DESC

Least Active First

Code: Select all

SELECT nations FROM region ORDER BY time ASC

which in English:

Select nations in region X, and sort by last government activity (Descending/Ascending Order)

From there, it's just getting it to render in the world census box, but Frisbeeteria does bring up a good point highlighting the session issues that it would encounter.

[Lenlyvit]

That gauge of recent government activity isn't always the most reliable thing. I think if you maintain the current session you're in on your browser, it won't update whether you're on doing things or not. It's only basically a show of when they last logged in or reopened the session. I'm pretty sure that's how it works, at least. Someone can correct me, if I'm wrong, as that's only based off of observation.

I can only post an apocryphal comment, but it's accurate.

Recently someone pointed out that my nation showed "Last Government Activity was 22 days ago", despite me being incredibly active on the forums, the game, and backstage. What I didn't do was answer any issues, vote on any proposals, move from any regions, post on any RMBs, or actively log in or out of my nation. I checked the checkbox to "keep me logged in" and apparently maintained the same session for close to a month. The only reason I had to log in again was following a forced reboot for updates.

I'm currently showing "Most Recent Government Activity: 8 days ago" despite being here daily. My gameside and forumside sessions are alive and well. You be the judge.

You make a good point Frisbeeteria. But when it comes to R/D, all of us are constantly switching in and out of our nations because we have so many. We hardly ever stay logged into the same nation for longer than a couple of hours. And when it comes to Regional Officers that are a part of a regional government, they should be about 50% of the time exchanging telegrams or writing on RMB's and talking to their native nations.

I may be wrong in this, so if I am feel free to correct me.

[Roavin]

That gauge of recent government activity isn't always the most reliable thing. I think if you maintain the current session you're in on your browser, it won't update whether you're on doing things or not. It's only basically a show of when they last logged in or reopened the session. I'm pretty sure that's how it works, at least. Someone can correct me, if I'm wrong, as that's only based off of observation.

I can only post an apocryphal comment, but it's accurate.

Recently someone pointed out that my nation showed "Last Government Activity was 22 days ago", despite me being incredibly active on the forums, the game, and backstage. What I didn't do was answer any issues, vote on any proposals, move from any regions, post on any RMBs, or actively log in or out of my nation. I checked the checkbox to "keep me logged in" and apparently maintained the same session for close to a month. The only reason I had to log in again was following a forced reboot for updates.

I'm currently showing "Most Recent Government Activity: 8 days ago" despite being here daily. My gameside and forumside sessions are alive and well. You be the judge.

Bit of a gravedig here, but - if you're active and yet the most recent activity is counted as 8 days ago, isn't that also problematic for influence purposes, since nations stop gathering influence after 7 days? That means, your nation would not gain more influence despite you being active on-site daily? Same question about CTEing - if you leave your computer on (and your session) running for 28 days without doing anything game-side, will you CTE?

If so, that sounds like a bug >.>

(and still, having this statistic in the World Census would be incredibly useful, even if it's flawed as described, so full support from me)

[Eluvatar]

The "Stay logged in" checkbox does not, internally speaking, actually keep you logged in. Rather, it lets you log in automatically. The 'core' session does expire.

That said, forum logins sometimes not being sufficient to keep nations alive has come up before and can be considered a bug if it's still happening.

To sort by activity it would have to become a census, much like residency did. I have no strong feelings one way or the other on this proposition.