Mod Warning Notification?

[Enfaru]

Couple of times I've seen users get into trouble having not seen prior warnings to knock it off or initial red text before getting themselves into hotter water.

Users aren't really notified that they have been warned except in the thread, which they may or may not remember to go back and check (since subscriptions were disabled).

Would it be possible to allow mods casting red text to send a notice (using the inbuilt notifications thing) to the user to say that they have been warned/punishment and such like? I think this would keep users out of hotter waters than they needed to be in and probably make mod-life easier at the same time.

[Flanderlion]

Couple of times I've seen users get into trouble having not seen prior warnings to knock it off or initial red text before getting themselves into hotter water.

Users aren't really notified that they have been warned except in the thread, which they may or may not remember to go back and check (since subscriptions were disabled).

Would it be possible to allow mods casting red text to send a notice (using the inbuilt notifications thing) to the user to say that they have been warned/punishment and such like? I think this would keep users out of hotter waters than they needed to be in and probably make mod-life easier at the same time.

Does this not already happen? (quickly requests warning history) It seems common sense to tell the person that they've got a warning - not notices through the notification thing, they vanish so fast, and some never even appear, but a voice of mod TG etc.

[Enfaru]

Not to my knowledge. It's simply a matter of flagging up the red text, if they miss it, it's their own silly fault.

Having had a warning (can't remember what for right now) I had to check with the mods to find out what it was for in the first place.

[Drasnia]

I'm sorry that I can't link to posts, but I remember at least once a mod saying they TG people they've given a forum ban to help make sure they know of it before posting. I don't know if that is SOP for mods, but it should be.

[Caelapes]

Couple of times I've seen users get into trouble having not seen prior warnings to knock it off or initial red text before getting themselves into hotter water.

Users aren't really notified that they have been warned except in the thread, which they may or may not remember to go back and check (since subscriptions were disabled).

Would it be possible to allow mods casting red text to send a notice (using the inbuilt notifications thing) to the user to say that they have been warned/punishment and such like? I think this would keep users out of hotter waters than they needed to be in and probably make mod-life easier at the same time.

Does this not already happen? (quickly requests warning history) It seems common sense to tell the person that they've got a warning - not notices through the notification thing, they vanish so fast, and some never even appear, but a voice of mod TG etc.

Most quality forum software has built-in moderation tools that include user notification of warnings.

[Enfaru]

This is phpbb-custom-hacked. Quality is not assured. That and I am pretty certain all emails from php have been rejected since Violet found out that someone decided to label all emails as spam instead of just deleting them and got NS barred.

To link to posts, look at the top left corner of the post where it has a little page icon followed by "by your_nation >> date". Right click the little page icon and copy link. That's the permanent link to the post. Still I recall seeing the same post, but it's not automatic and I don't think it's standard practice for warnings or modly nudges.

[Sedgistan]

An automatic notification would be a nightmare to code, and admin has said they'd prefer to spend their time creating new features that everyone can enjoy rather than making things a little more convenient for the small minority of rulebreakers.

[Soyuzistan]

Sometimes, when I post on something (or accidentally break a rule because i usually am too busy to search my name in the search bar). I have usually have 0 idea if a mod responded to me if something was inappropriate or if some nation just nuked me. Unless the forum pops up in the 'Latest Forum Topics' So, adding a notification system would be nice, or at least one in NS++ (Unless there was on this whole time and i have been missing out since i got NS++)

[Enfaru]

Not automatic, just something that is a button for mods to press at the same time as a warn.

Someone already posted up a way to automatically send a telegram through a url.

That or you know...just a damn telegram would be nice.

[Enfaru]

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=389111

It comes up from time to time.

[USS Monitor]

I'm sorry that I can't link to posts, but I remember at least once a mod saying they TG people they've given a forum ban to help make sure they know of it before posting. I don't know if that is SOP for mods, but it should be.

Bans and warnings are different things.

I've never actually had a ban, but my understanding is they are hard to miss. (I should probably try banning one of my own puppets just to see what it does, so I know what I'm talking about when people have questions about mod tools...)

On the other hand, warnings are easy to miss if you don't return to the thread where you were warned.

[Socio Polor]

I'm sorry that I can't link to posts, but I remember at least once a mod saying they TG people they've given a forum ban to help make sure they know of it before posting. I don't know if that is SOP for mods, but it should be.

Bans and warnings are different things.

I've never actually had a ban, but my understanding is they are hard to miss. (I should probably try banning one of my own puppets just to see what it does, so I know what I'm talking about when people have questions about mod tools...)

On the other hand, warnings are easy to miss if you don't return to the thread where you were warned.

When you receive a ban, a page will show up when you visit the forum informing you are banned, kinda hard to miss.

[Enfaru]

When you receive a ban, a page will show up when you visit the forum informing you are banned, kinda hard to miss.

However...if you subsequently don't get onto NS for next 24hrs (after having received a 24hr ban), the ban isn't relayed to you in anyway and for all intents and purposes, it didn't happen. Hard to miss but not impossible. Not everyone frequents NS every day like I do...or every hour...minute... *requests more hours at work*.

[USS Monitor]

Bans and warnings are different things.

I've never actually had a ban, but my understanding is they are hard to miss. (I should probably try banning one of my own puppets just to see what it does, so I know what I'm talking about when people have questions about mod tools...)

On the other hand, warnings are easy to miss if you don't return to the thread where you were warned.

When you receive a ban, a page will show up when you visit the forum informing you are banned, kinda hard to miss.

I tested it on one of my puppets. It is very hard to miss.

Warnings are much less obvious.

[Gurori]

An automatic notification would be a nightmare to code, and admin has said they'd prefer to spend their time creating new features that everyone can enjoy rather than making things a little more convenient for the small minority of rulebreakers.

Rulebreakers don't deserve convenience, only the highest of inconvenience.

EDIT: Actually, a warning notification DOES sound nice.

[Lestreic]

I'm of the school of thought that unless the perpetrator is made aware of their punishment, that it cannot be a deterrent, punishment or even promote rehabilitation. Therefore defeating its purpose as a warning.


~~Enfaru

[Bears Armed]

I tested it on one of my puppets. It is very hard to miss.

Does it show on all of your nations, or could somebody who next logs in with a different puppet still accidentally 'post past ban'?

[Enfaru]

I tested it on one of my puppets. It is very hard to miss.

Does it show on all of your nations, or could somebody who next logs in with a different puppet still accidentally 'post past ban'?

No, because security.

If a warning showed up on all detected puppets, then there is a possibility of being able to use that warning to probe NationStates' defences without being detected by NationStates.

There's pretty much no way around that one except a good old slap. Generally however while mods do care about posting around bans and will slap you if reported or they recognize your puppets... they really don't care about you posting provided that you abide by the rules and don't draw attention to yourself. (This is where most post-past-banners slip up because they immediately go back to the same thread and start posting rule-dancing content). < That's not an official position by the way. The official position is: you get caught, you're getting a longer ban.

[Wordy]

I can understand both sides of this discussion.
Is it possible for an alert to show on User Control Panel when a warning is placed. As part of the mod tool set? Or is that a code nightmare?

[Lockdownn]

I can understand both sides of this discussion.
Is it possible for an alert to show on User Control Panel when a warning is placed. As part of the mod tool set? Or is that a code nightmare?

The one notification it already has is the increased number.

[Enfaru]

... show of hands, who has actually looked at their own user profile? I can count the number of times I've looked at mine on one hand (the fact I can count up to 144 on one hand not withstanding). Twice.

[Mousebumples]

I can understand both sides of this discussion.
Is it possible for an alert to show on User Control Panel when a warning is placed. As part of the mod tool set? Or is that a code nightmare?

My understanding is that it's a code nightmare, if we're talking about forum warnings. (I believe you typically get a TG when a warning is added to your gameside account.) Gameside and forumside don't talk to each other very well, hence the issue.

[NERVUN]

It's something that I have been trying to do, but that's a. Me and b. done manually, which can be and has been at times a bloody nightmare.

[Wordy]

... show of hands, who has actually looked at their own user profile? I can count the number of times I've looked at mine on one hand (the fact I can count up to 144 on one hand not withstanding). Twice.

I imagine players would look if it was a little red 1 next to user control panel. Much like the world assembly notification.

Anyway I see by mods posts that it is indeed a code nightmare. I am not invested in this at all as I do not get warnings

Wordy is a good girl......Yes she is.

[Western Pacific Territories]

I think the same should apply if say, you get reported in the Moderation Forum. I got reported for a attack helicopter meme I had in my sig once, I wasn't told about it and I only ever found it because I was casually browsing this forum out of boredom and found it.